here is a review to consider on anvil
http://flyfishohio.com/Vise%20Review..._apex_vise.htm
http://flyfishohio.com/Vise%20Review...nvil_Atlas.htm
I own the atlas and love itfor most of the patterns I tie. I will say that it does not have great clearance for clousers, but with the flies you mentioned it ties all of those with ease and plenty of room. I tie enough clousers to justify a vice for them and it also doubles as my travel vice which is the Griffin 3arp. I could not justify the patriot.