Question about Airflo Ridge tropical line

[FlyFlinger]

I've been using the Airflo Ridge Tropical Bonefish/Tarpon line now for about a month, and I really like it; for me, it casts very well. Although it is advertised as "no tangles" I have had about three episodes of bad tangles (ones where I had to stop fishing and figure out how to undo the tangle), but I was not using a stripping basket at the time.

My question is this: it seems to me that the Ridge adheres to the water more firmly than other lines, so that picking up to recast requires a little more "umph" than I was used to. I have used S/A lines, Orvis, Teeny, and Rio before, and I don't think any of those lines required quite as much effort to clear the water after stripping in to recast. Is this just my imagination, or has anyone else had this experience? Or is it that the Ridge is just a bit larger and heavier in any given line weight?

Thanks.

[RHenn]

I haven't noticed the problem you posted when using the Ridge lines, as a matter of fact, I am switching all of my lines over to these lines on both my fresh and saltwater rods. They don't seem to take any more effort to pick up from the water than the SA lines I was using, nor do they seem heavier to me, but that may just be me. I agree with you on the castability of the Ridge lines and I have less tangling with them as opposed to other lines I have used. Just a question, have you perhaps overlined the rod? Maybe the line was mis-labeled?

[FlyFlinger]

No, as a general rule I don't overline rods (the exception was a TFO TiCr 8-wt that was so stiff I put a 9-wt line on it). I got the line as part of a purchase of a Nautilus FWX 7/8 (to put on a new BVK 8-wt rod), and the line was definitely an 8-wt. Maybe the phenomenon I'm feeling is because of the very light weight of the rod - it's only 3.2 ounces, about the weight of a traditional 5-wt. But then I put the Ridge line on my 9-wt, which is a Scott Heliply that weighs 4.5 ounces, and I still seemed to feel the resistance. Maybe it's my imagination at work.

[flyguy66]

I don't find them harder to pick up than other lines, but I do know what your tangling issue is about. NO fly line is "tangle-free!" Airflo advertises the Ridge and other lines with their new core as non-kinking. They also tell you straight up that the core is very supple, but the polyurethane coating on the tropical saltwater Ridge lines has been hardened to keep the lines from wilting in the heat. But polyurethane lines are more supple than PVC lines, in general. If you cast a bunch of Airflo fly lines across the full range of cold water, warm water, salt water, and fresh water lines side-by-side against a bunch of similar PVC-coated lines, you will see the Airflo lines are more supple than all the PVC lines.

What you are experiencing with the tangling is actually not a problem with the line, but a deficiency in your line-handling skills. Don't be offended or get defensive. I had the same problem when I first switched to Airflo lines. You need to work on smoothing out your casting stroke, reducing the "snap" in your hauls, keeping your hauls in plane with the fly rod, and never letting go of the line with your line hand during the entire cast. If you move, do not drag the line behind you. Pick it up. If you are in surf or current, use a stripping basket. The Airflo lines are superior casting, mending, and hook-setting lines. But they will foul fairly easily. Most of all, do not yank, flop, or fling slack line to try and "toss" fouled loops apart! They tie down into good knots much better than most PVC tropical saltwater lines! I had to undo some sloppy habits, but once I got those under control my saltwater fishing really improved. Furthermore, the rest of my fishing improved some too - because I got better at managing my fly line.

[jszymczyk]

The very first thing I noticed when I used an Airflo Ridge line was that I had more tangles than I ever had before. Of course my casting and line handling are not perfect. I easily had 2x more tangles with it than with any of my other lines. In my limited time for fishing, I would rather not spend it undoing knots. I try to improve my casting and line handling all the time, but I saw no advantage at all using the Ridge line over the "standard" lines I've used for years. I really enjoy getting a fly out to whatever target I choose, and not stressing about keeping my hauls in perfect plane with my rod etc... FYI I won the line in a give-away, and I'm glad I didn't spend my hard-earned $$$ on it. I haven't seen it to be superior in casting, mending, or hook setting as compared to any of my other Cortland, SA, Rio, or Cabela's lines. It's a GOOD line, but I don't see where it is significantly better than others.

[flyguy66]

Well, without just coming right out and saying it before, the lines are just far more responsive. That is good when you're good and bad when you're bad. Also, polyurethane coatings are far less susceptible to the things that cause serious problems for PVC coated lines: UV light, petro-based chemicals, cold temps, etc.

[FlyFlinger]

Flyguy 66, regarding your advice about line-handling skills above, last weekend, before I read your advice, I began using my line hand as a third stripping guide on my delivery cast, and it really helped. Not only did I gain a little distance, it seemed to me that my accuracy improved, too. Not a bad lesson to learn; I had tried this on other lines before, but never kept at it because it didn't seem necessary for good results. You state that the Airflo Ridge tropic line is more responsive than other lines - another way to put it is that it's a bit finicky (semantics!). My tolerance level is high, so unlike jszymczy, I intend to stick with it and improve my skills.

[Jim Mercer]

I have used primarily SA and Rio lines for many years. I bought an AirFlo Ridgeline about 4-5 months ago and definitely prefer it.

No it isn't tangle free, but it does seems to cast very well.

My 2 cents.

[flyguy66]

Flyguy 66, regarding your advice about line-handling skills above, last weekend, before I read your advice, I began using my line hand as a third stripping guide on my delivery cast, and it really helped. Not only did I gain a little distance, it seemed to me that my accuracy improved, too. Not a bad lesson to learn; I had tried this on other lines before, but never kept at it because it didn't seem necessary for good results. You state that the Airflo Ridge tropic line is more responsive than other lines - another way to put it is that it's a bit finicky (semantics!). My tolerance level is high, so unlike jszymczy, I intend to stick with it and improve my skills.

Yes, that is right. Just like a high performance sports car or a thoroughbred race horse, "finicky" will work too. Ferraris have really tight gear gaps. If you can't double clutch and get the RPMs timed right for shifting, you will frustrate the heck out of yourself trying to drive one. It's not the car you want to take on leisurely Sunday sightseeing drive or a trip down the street to the grocery store. The Airflo Ridge Bonefish and Tarpon lines use a true zero-stretch core and a urethane coating. This combination is incredibly responsive...or finicky. It is also more supple, so slack line that is set up to tangle when pulled will do so more thoroughly than a stiffer line would. It's not for everybody, that's for sure. SA and Rajeff Sports are both fly line sponsors of mine for good reasons. But my personal saltwater rods only have a few lines on them: Airflo Ridge Tarpon and Bonefish, Airflo 40+ Extreme (switch rods), SA Mastery Redfish, SA Saltwater Streamer Express.

[jszymczyk]

Yes, that is right. Just like a high performance sports car or a thoroughbred race horse, "finicky" will work too. Ferraris have really tight gear gaps. If you can't double clutch and get the RPMs timed right for shifting, you will frustrate the heck out of yourself trying to drive one. It's not the car you want to take on leisurely Sunday sightseeing drive or a trip down the street to the grocery store. The Airflo Ridge Bonefish and Tarpon lines use a true zero-stretch core and a urethane coating. This combination is incredibly responsive...or finicky. It is also more supple, so slack line that is set up to tangle when pulled will do so more thoroughly than a stiffer line would. It's not for everybody, that's for sure. SA and Rajeff Sports are both fly line sponsors of mine for good reasons. But my personal saltwater rods only have a few lines on them: Airflo Ridge Tarpon and Bonefish, Airflo 40+ Extreme (switch rods), SA Mastery Redfish, SA Saltwater Streamer Express.

well, I wouldn't drive a Ferrari even if I could ever afford one, and I guess I'm not "good enough" to have fly line sponsors... LOL Thirty years ago, and even more, folks like Lefty Kreh were casting entire lines into the backing, with pinpoint accuracy, with the lines and rods available to them. Catching a whole boatload of fish too. Lefty would cast 80 feet of line with one false cast, and would cast an entire line without a rod at all.... that tells me that any amount of improvement or change in basic fly line properties might help the average guy, but won't really matter THAT MUCH in the big picture. As I said in my first post, the Ridge is a GOOD line. Just like all the other name-brand lines out there.