Thanks Jax. I tend to fish matuka's mostly in lakes and such, so looks like we're in agreement. Oh yah, I've often used grizzle feathers with relatively "weak" markings, that sort of look "dirty" more than barred, for my Copper Dorothy's. This, however, is mostly because I don't have any good strong clear grizzle feathers to make the wings with. It seems impossible to find decent grizzle hackle in the right size these days for some reason? Anyway, they seem a good pattern if they're off the more brightly silver ghosts and such.

- Jeff