I have seen Mr. Betts tie flies several times each time without a vise. I was always impressed with the show case quality salmon flies that he tied. I was even more impressed with the feathers he sold. Feathers that he pounded gold flakes and silver flakes into. They were of course pretty feathers before adding the metal just added more beauty and dimension to them. I bet it is too expensive to do much of that any more. It would have been nice to watch the process of embossing the precious metals on those feathers.