Folk, I've got to agree that subsurface flies can catch a lot of fish but I clean up on Lake Hartwell (very large, deep Southern reservoir) Spring, Summer and Fall with #12-#8 Gurgle Pops. If things get too slow on the surface, I hang a natural colored dropper 18"-24" from the bend of the hook. I couldn't give up the excitement of watching gills and bass slam surface flies. Just my 2% of a dollar. I'm sure others will disagree. 8T