Should have replied to my own post sooner, sorry. Permit is damned hard to catch. I had a great guide in Belize. We stayed at El Pescador and my guide Emir worked like the devil, I could not work as hard as that man at catching fish. We finally found a school of Permit and spent 4 hours casting, drifting, refinding and starting everything all over. FINALLY got a Permit to the boat, wow. As for the Avalon, Emir took one look at it, said no thanks and that was that.