DaveMac, your idea on mixing the white rabbit with not quite white enough beaver worked like a charm. A mix of almost white enough beaver at 60 % and very nice white rabbit at 40% made a great mix. Took all guard hair out of both before mixing, well nearly all, and I now have a container of really nice pure white dubbing. This mix plu sthe thread idea and a bleaching suggestion I have not yet tried but looks good should put me in a position of never needing white dubbing again. Thanks again.