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    Arrow Montana Stream Access

    Without taking a position on what the pending HB 309 actually says, here is a link to a proposed ammendment to Montana's Stream Access Laws which strikes a good number of folks here in Montana as an attempt to severely limit anglers' access to moving water in this State.

    http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2011/billhtml/HB0309.htm

    If you bing "Montana 2011 HB 309" you will find a number of articles on this subject.

    Here are several links which will provide commentary on what is going on in the current Montana Legislature and reaction to it.

    http://www.mtstandard.com/news/local...cc4c002e0.html

    http://buttonvalley.wordpress.com/20...s-for-the-few/

    You need to scroll down a way on this one to find the discussion.
    http://www.montanasbestflyfishing.co...ngblog/?blog=7

    Here's one organization that is supporting passage of HB 309.
    http://unitedpropertyownersofmontana...gislature.html

    John
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    John,

    Unfortunately, guys like James Kennedy and Huey Lewis have the resources (money and time) to continue their assault on the stream access laws. If they keep at it long enough they're hoping they will find someone in the legislature who will support their agenda. Sad.

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    Wow is that thoroughly disgusting! I sure do feel sorry for you folks out there trying to fish those waters. Can anything be done at the federal level to stop this?

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    This bill is so broad with its wording that potentially every river in Montana is affected as every river in Montana has multiple irrigation diversions and returns. While some rivers are natural, their sole purpose is irrigation as they are completely surrounded by private land and most years are run dry by irrigation demands.

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    YIKES!!!!!

    "Landowners may fence across a waterway at a bridge site."

    http://unitedpropertyownersofmontana...eamaccess.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by nighthawk View Post
    Can anything be done at the federal level to stop this?
    Stream access is handled on a state-by-state basis. Sadly, if the access laws are repealed, Montana is going to lose a lot more in touro-dollars than they'll gain by appeasing the wishes of this contingent.

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    HB-309 approved by 55-44 margin. Hopefully, it'll be voted down in the Senate or vetoed by Gov. Schweitzer.

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    Default That was not a final vote by the House.

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottP View Post
    HB-309 approved by 55-44 margin. Hopefully, it'll be voted down in the Senate or vetoed by Gov. Schweitzer.

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    Follow the link for today's article in the Missoulian.

    http://missoulian.com/news/state-and...cc4c03286.html

    This is a much better discussion than the previous linked articles.

    I've read HB309 a good number of times and don't see any language in it that clearly applies to naturally flowing streams and rivers, nor their sidechannels. The language of the bill is vague, to say the least, but I am curious what specific language in the bill those who are saying that it could apply to rivers such as the Bitterroot, the Beaverhead, the Yellowstone, etc. etc. etc. are referring to.

    Several things to consider. Keep in mind that I am not in favor of this bill. And I am disheartened that this was one of those surprises that came up in a matter of days, best I can tell, and got ramrodded through a quick vote without much debate. That vote is not final, but it does point in a direction that will likely be followed by the Republican majority in the Montana Legislature.

    First, as indicated above, there is no language in HB309 that clearly includes all the naturally flowing streams and rivers in Montana as subject to the restrictions imposed on ditches, and no language that attempts to define those naturally flowing streams and rivers as ditches. The language that is in the bill may be vague, but not on this particular point.

    Second, there is a clear record by the sponsor of the bill and at least some of its supporters that HB309 is NOT intended to apply to those naturally flowing streams and rivers.

    Third, if there were any attempt to apply the restrictions to "ditch access" to those naturally flowing streams and rivers, there would be challenges pursued in the courts. Given the fact that the Montana Supreme Court has already given a broad application to the existing law, it seems they would be so disposed if presented with a case based on the the language of HB309, assuming that it passes the real vote, gets through the Senate, and is signed by the Governor. It seems quite likely the Court would construe the vague language against the writers of the bill and in favor of the people of Montana, especially where there is a clear written and video record of the limited intent of the bill to apply to ditches only. The cumbersome attempt to "redefine" ditches would probably be shrugged off by the Court.

    Finally, it seems to me that the opponents of HB309 could better spend their time cooperating with the supporters to come up with language that works for both sides than fighting over a bill that is more likely to cause problems and cost dollars on down the road ( or should that be "on down the stream" ).

    Don't cancel your plans to visit or fish in Montana.

    John
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