As to the outsourcing being the only way some companies can make it I think I have to say bull! For instance, I really like the fishpond bags. The one I like is about 10 dollars worth of material and zippers. It cost 149.00. There is no way it could cost that much more to produce in America. I really believe it is the profit margin that drives the outsourcing. I will compare my filson vest with anything made in Vietnam or india and it doesn't cost that much more. I do feel like we are being rooked. Would the fishpond bag I like cost 300.00 if made in America? I don't see how. Any way that is a rant and rave and I have it out of my system now