I use to make them all the time and gave many away to folks on here. I all so use to make some for heavy lines and toothy fish. Never had any complaints about them and I still have same one on my 3 wt rod I made many years ago.It's a 8ft. thread leader with tippet attached.Sorry it's been sometime since I've been on.Lots going on in my life past 9 yrs.Some good some bad.