AMEN to all that you said Neil! As a starting bait drowner (GASP!!!) and bottom dredger it seemed to be an easy transition to nymphing and without indicators. Still prefer fishing without indicators although I tried them for a little bit just couldn't get used to watching something floating along as opposed to "feeling" a take. Been told that I'm missing out on a lot of takes; but, that's just fine with me. Came late to fly fishing and without a mentor to straighten out my many mistakes, not the least of which is pitiful fly flinging. Not a bug ID person either and that's fine too. They invented the "Keep It Simple Stupid" series just for me. happy in my ignorance. Grn Mt Man