thanks marty...

well kelkay a dog i am but far from lucky. i tied on regal back in the day. in fact i sold that original vise here 2 or 3 years ago but don't remember to whom. i had 2 and when the first lost it's gripping power i filed it until it made small hooks easier to mount and tie and bought another standard head. at that time a standard head had too much power for size 22/24 hooks and often crushed them. i never did use a regal as a true rotary but needed to flip flies often.