Fly floatants

[Ray Kunz]

I am very reluctant to submit this post because I'm afraid the subject will be hijacked by suggesting commercially available materials. I'll have to wait and see.
My basic question is about anyone's actual experience in using basic water repellants as fly floatants.
I have tried concentrated Rain-X that is usd to make water bead up on car windshields, WD-40 that is used to help make car wiring water resistant, pure silicone oil or plain wax, as used in preserving fruit preserves, diluted with naptha and even Chapstick lip balm that prevents water from evaporating.
Has anyone else tried these, or any other, non-standard dry fly treatments? What were your conclusions?

[Kaboom1]

Ray

I have used the Ray Bergman formula...parafin dissolved in naphtha and like it as long as I am using it it warm weather. I have also tried a silicone water repellent spray called Camp Dry with mixed results.

Just mt 2% of a dollar, nothing more

Brad

[alra195]

Ray,

It's a question that draws a wide variety of solutions, potions, and other perfectly formulated products and elixirs that folks are passionate supporters of. My limited experience leads me to believe this particular subject is like a discussion amongst fellow alchemist regarding the exact nature and composition of the "philosophers stone". Again, my feeling is there are a lot of good products out there, both home brewed and off-the-self, that work well in most situations and a few that don't seem to work in any.

I'm currently fixated with using Frogs Fannie (or it's base component, fumed silica). I also like GINK at times. I've tried Top Ride, Aquel, watershed, silicone dips, campdry, and a host of others in search of perfection. My conclusion is the absolute perfect floatant, one that works in all cases, on occasion, and under all circumstances is still out there to be found. It's just not yet with in my grasp. Kind of like making the perfect cast, every time, all day long!

I'm sure you'll get a full range of opinions and thoughts on this topic. It generally generates a fair amount of interest and discussion. Lots of folks in a variety of camps on this one. My best advice is experiment and enjoy the ride, along with the rest of us, who are tying to turn lead into gold!

[FISHN50]

I've been using Alboline Makeup remover for a few years & I think it's as good as any commercial fly floatant. Not that it matters but it's about $11.00 in Walgreens, I also use it on my furled leaders & it'll float them all day.

[ducksterman]

Albolene....don't let the price scare you ...that's a lifetime supply...you can also dissolve it and use it after cleaning a slimed fly.

[pittendrigh]

Three time's a charm: Albolene.

Al Troth used it.
Al mentioned and even rcommended (in a recently found 3 hour 1991 fly tying seminar) cutting Albolene with lighter fluid, if necessary.
Al also points out (in his opinion) that's what Gink is: Albolene. No more. No less.

To be fair, in the last few years before his death, George Gehrke (often intemperately) participated in various
usenet news groups, where he frequently and vehemently denied Gink was Albolene.

Al, in this case, is they guy i have the most faith in.

[Celltech]

Ducksterman,
How do you dissolve the Albolene?

Bill

[whatfly]

Have heard of folks using Thompson's water sealer with good effect -- pre-treatment of course, not on stream. Like so many of these DIY solutions, for the amounts I use a year, it has always been better to just use an off-the-shelf solution. Any time fiddling with wax, naptha, and lip balm is time better spent either tying more flies or fishing. I have wanted to try the old Mucilin and lighter fluid solution, but that is more to satisfy my curiousity than trying to build a better mousetrap.

[Joe Billingsley]

Hi, Ray

After reading "Dry Flies That Really Float", by George E. Emanuel, in the Tying Tips section a few years ago, I've been using the 100% silicon product for waterproofing leather, Angelus, that he recommends for treating dry flies at the tying bench with very good results. I tried Thompson's Water Seal once, too. It discolored the flies - it made them all a VERY greasy dark brown. I posted the results here and most of the comments were, "What??? You can't use that stuff on flies!!!"
As far as on-the-stream floatants, I've tried most of the better known products and some of the homemade ones suggested here with mostly similar, but decent, results. I've just found that when a fly gets drowned or slimed or is in very rough water, it's going to sink no matter what floatant has been applied. The Angelus seems to help them clean up much easier and quicker.

Joe