woven body no big really I have tied many and like to tie woven bodies, but the woven hackle that was really awesome I am impressed, I have to say I would like to try it once or twice just to say I have.

As for the horse hair I have heard of the streamers mentioned a couple posts ago and have seen the hair in catalogs advertised as 12"+ I believe. You could sure tie some big nasties with that.

Steve