I know weight forwards won't work it makes the rod tip bounce makes for ineresting tailing loops to. The triangle didin't work either and I like triangle on winston they are made for each other but this rod laughed at me. I do most of my fishing in tail waters not worried about warm water. Thinking of trying a dt sylk line by cortland or a dt SA mastery so many lines and there all different never had a rod that is this picky. The dang thing is worse than my x girlfriend but I think I will keep the rod.