Thanks John, they are two different sized hooks. And funny that you say that dyslexic thing, because my last name is Wilkes so you cracked the code to my username! Hahaha and I have to say "uh oh" about the membership yank cause I have no fly fishing gear yet only alllll my spin gear, but my birthday is Wednesday and I plan on outfitting my self with the basics to begin so hopefully Ron will give me a little time : ) oh yeah, any birthday donations are welcome, my mailing address is.... Haha just kidding!