What Steve didn't tell you, those Coppernose get rather large. I have a snapshot of a guy I know in MS who raises them to stock farm ponds holding a 23 oz. Coppernose. He's a old farmboy, retired from John Deere, and the bream covers both hands. I remembered I scanned the snapshot. It's not that good of a picture but it will give you a good idea of who big they get. This one has probably had the benefit of a well fertilized pond and maybe fish food on a regular basis.