By adapting the Clouser style of tying to standard hair wing streamers with the hook point facing upward on standard flies like a Mickey Finn or Black Nose Dace I find that the fly will now ride point up. Even with no eyes attached it seems the hook rides point up giving me fewer hang-ups on the bottom:toast: . I don't think its a "weed guard" effect from the hook point being somewhat hidden as it is that the hook shank itself is bumping the bottom. I'll admit that my testing is not scientific but to me the results are encouraging. Has anyone else tried testing this concept.