Thanks for the response Dave. Your suggestions give me several other things to try instead of running out of options after a slowdown with only two patterns.

We're going to try them at night as well so the black idea is spot on. The broader profile flies is a good idea as well, I have already tied a few decievers hoping to achieve a more realistic profile.

I'm using an 8wt and a 350 grain sinking line. A lot of chucking and ducking. We fish three out of my boat...I need to bring a helmet and flack jacket this year!

Hopefully I'll have some pictures to share...