Thanks for the info on TU, and I probably wouldn't have figured that one out for some time. I live very near Galveston, Tx and the only Trout I have ever seen is a speckled trout. Thanks also, for the ideas on practice, lawn vs water. I am doing my practiceing on the water, as I am fortunate to live on the water, and it doesn't freeze so I have ample opportunity. Tryed a bit of casting, but I keep getting knots in my leader, I think those must be the venerable "Wind Knots" I have read on other posts here...anyway, I have someone who is going to show me how/what to do. I am going to learn how to flycast so help me!