I know there are a lot of ways to tie the tippet to the shorb's loop. I think one person told me he uses the cinch knot. Another told me he uses the Eugene knot. The majority seem to go with the surgeon's KNOT> I would have thought it would be the surgeon's loop knot. But all the posts refer to the surgeon's knot. Guess that is what it really means....the KNOT> Lot's of great informationo here. Thanks to all of you who bothered to post.

Sagefisher....that tool....coool......and reg $14.95 at Orvis NOW on sale for $7.16. One can never have enough tools.

Thanks Sage and all others.

Gemrod