I'll take any hints and/or suggestions from anyone on wrapping thread on thread. It's almost like my trying to throw a pot, trying to center the guides just perfectly is driving me insane. Although the wife thinks they look great, if it isn't right it's just not right. And, folks, anyone who has received my flies in a swap must realize I'm not a perfectionist. So, if you have hints I'll take 'em! Thanks a million! JGW