I posted this on another thread. I tie the flies normally because I dislike being jabbed by the hook, and I don't like tieing in weed guards. I tie flies like zoo cougars and foam divers normally, then spin the body 180 and use zap a gap to keep them in place. We did an upside down fly swap on FAOL a few years back so I'm not the only tier doing this. If I remember, there was only one Clouser entered in the swap! The tail, especially on the cougars, must be balanced. Your foam should keep the fly right on the water. This technique also works well with Wiggle Bugs ,by the way. JGW