Thanks guys, lots of good info there. Rainbowchaser, those tutorials are pretty good. Dudley, will have a look at those videos. Joe, I might just cave and jump all over that kit, sounds sweet, even at the regular price. Your work looks pretty good, nice fish too. I'm looking at tools (tensioner, reamers and whatever else is needed, e-bay here we go) and a GOOD BOOK (might have to check the local library) before I take the plunge, that kit though is VERY, VERY tempting.