Thanks guys, now I have some new patterns to work on. The feathers I had in mind are the red ones that are found right at the base of the tail, along with the tail feathers. A couple of your replies use those really nice red flank or side feathers.

I've got about a dozen of these long red fethers from two GP's that I have used up in the last 20 years. I never throw any material that pretty away, so I have had them on my bench for all this time.

For the last week or so I have been on the road chauffering my fishing partner to her 50th high school reunion. That's my excuse for being slow in answering your replies. Wish I could have made it to the Idaho Fish In, we were right in that area, but the timing was all wrong. Like the Mariners always say about this time of year, " wait til next year ".

Thanks again, Jim Johnson, Doublehauler, Bigfork, Montana