..... ok, try to tie them your self, otherwise how will you get better, search for them yourself too. if you have trouble locating a certain pattern, and you know the name, just not the recipie, go to the tying forum and ask, cause in swaps there is usually more than 6 peole including the swap meister. And i will not join swaps that the swapmeister has only had less than 40 posts, so that i know that they are a somewhat active member, not just someone that might forget about things.

Luke