You Know, I gotta say that when I first got into tying, I purchased one of those kits. I paid about $50 for mine. I still use the vise to this day (although I'm waiting for my new rotary to come in) and it has been great for me. The materials weren't that bad, and above all, it gave me an idea about what to purchase for flies I wanted. More than anything though, the beginner fly tying on this site is where I became a true "tier".