OK I have been tying for a while now... some years in fact. Every book I have looked at has stressed that you should not try to hide the point of the hook in the vice jaws, to try to get used to it being exposed and work the thread around it. They have never really stated why. I AM SICK TO DEATH OF CATCHING THE THREAD ON THE HOOK POINT AND AM NOT GETTING ANY BETTER AT THIS EVEN THOUGH I HAVE BEEN TYING A LONG TIME AND SO WHY THE HECK CAN'T I HIDE THE HOOK POINT IN THE VICE JAWS IF I BLOODY WELL WANT TO ???????????

I fell a little better now.