Thanks for the tips. I don't have any pics. The two things is it's a standard wire dry fly mustad hook. I should have gotten 1x thinner. The other thing is I was using deer hair couse I have so much and the other hair I tried was caribou. I dont hve any scrapes of elk so I'll have to get some and give that a try. The hackle is whiting 100 and it seems very good. Once again thanks for the help.