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    Because the ONLY argument we would have to kill...

    Because the ONLY argument we would have to kill and remove them at all, is if they were "man-made". And personally, whether or not it is a "known fact" that they were placed there by man. If they...
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    It never really says who or why the trout were...

    It never really says who or why the trout were intoduced? Only that they were discovered in 1994? Is it speculation?.......or a known stocking? Because without an illegal stocking it's not an...
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    The article never states just how the lake trout...

    The article never states just how the lake trout arrived? Nothing like a story in the NY Times to define how most urban folk are "mutualists". That's nice. :) Good to hear it.
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    What I don't support is the "native only" thought...

    What I don't support is the "native only" thought process. Where possible, I prefer to see wild and self-sustaining trout over stocked. But I do not see the need to champion the native only approach....
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    Gigmaster.....agreed.

    Gigmaster.....agreed.
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    ......."NJTroutbum - did I miss something - when...

    ......."NJTroutbum - did I miss something - when has TU not focused on stream water quality, riparian buffers, run-off issues, in-stream enhancements, bank stabilization etc. etc. etc??"......
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    When the crusade becomes so focused on one...

    When the crusade becomes so focused on one singular issue, and reaching that goal is the only issue of value regardless of it's real world impact on anything else. That is activism. And groups...
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    As a TU member, I agree with much of that...

    As a TU member, I agree with much of that philosophy. However, I don't agree with the "only native"mantra across the board. It must remain within reason and not simply be an effort too turn back...
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    So let me get this straight.....is it TU's goal...

    So let me get this straight.....is it TU's goal to get rid of Rainbow and Brown trout frm our rivers and streams? Because that's the way it is sounding here. Is it about conservation?.....or...
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    No Sir, that was not my "Error". The fact is,...

    No Sir, that was not my "Error".

    The fact is, that many brook trout fisheries were stocked with brown trout because the brook trout were already in decline for numerous other reasons. And my...
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    Silver Creek, the statement was made in reference...

    Silver Creek, the statement was made in reference to "after" the browns were removed....that being the intended goal.

    Also.....too often, in my opinion....organizations and companies that live...
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    Marty, That sounds like a plan! Not alot of...

    Marty,

    That sounds like a plan! Not alot of trout fishing to be had in Souf Jersey....but only 45 min away from PA streams :)

    Ralph
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    MFTG.....Very well put. Thanks for the response....

    MFTG.....Very well put. Thanks for the response.

    Ralph
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    ....."When your cuttthroats are gone, maybe...

    ....."When your cuttthroats are gone, maybe something like this will have mattered. But who cares, it's not going to happen in OUR lifetimes, right?".....

    Actually, I don't feel that it is as...
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    Point taken on the Carp. I guess I don't see the...

    Point taken on the Carp. I guess I don't see the brown trout as an invasive.

    Would it not be for the brown, there are countless trout waters across the country that would now hold nothing but...
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    And just to play devils advocate.......what...

    And just to play devils advocate.......what happens when all efforts to save the native Brookie fails and a fishable water never produces itself? Then what? Leave the waters basically devoid of...
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    I disagree 100%. If the browns had not proven to...

    I disagree 100%. If the browns had not proven to be self-sustainable and required continued stocking, then yes. But they do not. They've shown they are self-sustainable and the current fish are...
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