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RHenn, that second one you posted for underwater is such a common type tie. I've tied them for salt water swaps where they call them a Q-Bug. With a bit of coloration or size change it can represent...

Look forward to it thanx. Have used some craft hair but never in as nice a design as that.

gigmaster, that bluegill Puglisi minnow is a beauty. Do you have an SBS or a video of that tie or is there one out there. Never done that type of fly but can see it working for shad, bluegill or...