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You can get either for the following reasons:

Low: it can be shaped with hands but that mostly clouds it. It also dries faster

High: YOU TOUCH YOU BURN. dries slower and it usually is smoother....

i got a vice that came with a pack that got me started so yea dont really no what i got myself into
thanks for the advice
Ryan

I will most likely be going after Brownies and rainbows

I have a very poor vice but I can't yet bye a new one everytime I put a hook on it seems to be to loose and thevice keeps spining or its perfect and i can't get it to spin any advice.

Ryan
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If anyone could help me with average skill ranged flies that would be great i need new patterns.

Ryan,
Greenflyman@yahoo.com

I am looking for flies that are in the average skill range but they still work with the fish.

Thanks for your anwser
You can email me with any fish Questions (I work with Department of Natural...

I new at saltwater patterns what would be the easier of patterns but are still affective.

Thanks for your answers
You can also email me at:
greenflyman@yahoo.com