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I've always used an Improved Clinch Knot myself. I've also figured out it's easier to start the hook on my finger, then transfer the knot to the hook once I've started cinching it down. Nice to know I think on the same frequency as some of the guides out there.
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has anyone tried attaching the dropper with an Orvis knot? I've been using tying this knot for about two seasons and have had no problems.
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I've found the palomar knot to be strongest knot that is 'easy' to tie without tools. I always use it for the dropper knot, so that if the dropper fly snags, I'll break the trilene knot I use to tie the hook on with, thus saving the dropper line. If you use palomars on both, you can lose the whole dropper. Since I've started using these two knots, I've not lost a dropper on a fish, nor have I had a fish break me off. 'Which knot' is a subject that causes a lot of debate, and everyone has their favorites. I'd advise everyone to test their knots with a scale. Try several different knots, test at least six of each, and stick with one that you can tie the most consistently. Doing this will let you be sure of your knots.
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Fritz,
I use the Turle Knot, which is almost the same as the Orvis Knot, to tie my flies to the tippet. It is a great knot and very safe for fluorocarbon leaders and tippets as well. I do not use it to tie the dropper tippet to the curve of the main fly.
Larry ---sagefisher---
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Some of these knots seem way too complicated for this old guy. I can barely get the tippet through the hook eye once, let alone twice, and I'd have to get out my little reminder card every time I tried some of them! Looks like I might be able to handle the Improved Clinch.
Fritz, I use the Orvis knot for tippet to leader, but haven't tried it for anything else.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
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I use knots you can tie quickly, on the water. First choice, Pitzen. (I did an article on it.) Second choice, improved clinch. I tie mine with forceps as follows: place the fly in the forceps holding at the bend of the hook. Thread the hook. Hold the line and tag end, dangle the forceps and spin them. Put tag end through look and back through as usual for an improved clinch. Hold line and tag and pull on forceps. Third choice, and this is the first choice for saltwater flies, Palomar. Look it up, too hard to describe, but super easy and very good but you have to have a big eyed hook. Palomar is the first choice of bass fishermen.
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The single davy knot does not hold very good on larger lines. Try going through the loop again with the tag end. This is a double davy knot and will hold much better. One other thing is pull the knot tight from the tag end not the hook. For some reason the knot will come loose the other way. I tied the davy knot at a bass expo at one of those knot strength tester places. I used the double davy and the knot did not break. You might give it a try that way. I think you can go on utube and search for a double davy knot.
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I used the regular clinch knot for trout fishing up until about 15 years ago. Then I was shown the Eugene Bend and have been using it ever since. It is strong and easy to tie. I find it easier than the clinch knot since there is a larger final loop to negotiate with the tag end and I find it more reliable since it does not depend on the knot cinching up against the hook eye. For saltwater and carp fishing, I use a non-slip (Kreh) loop knot.
Ted
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I have used the Orvis knot for about 3 years now. I really like the small knot, especially when using 7x tippet on very small flies. I cannot think of a reason to switch to another knot for tying on a fly. I can't remember the knot ever coming off the hookbend and I fish barbless hooks. Good knot, easy to tie, works well.
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I use a simple fishermens loop for my loop-to-loop leader to tippet. Clinch for everything else.