Thank you Gandolf and Silver Creek. I haven't replaced it yet (forgot while at the store today), so tomorrow, it's going to get bought.
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Thank you Gandolf and Silver Creek. I haven't replaced it yet (forgot while at the store today), so tomorrow, it's going to get bought.
Hi Allen,
I use MEK to thin head cement instead of acetone or lacquer thinner, and think it works better than lacquer thinner. You can get it a some paint stores, lumber yards, and hardware stores. I bought mine at Ace Hardware.
Also, I use regular lacquer for head cement, and bought a pint probably 10 to 15 years ago. When the stuff in my old head cement bottle starts to get grungy because of bits of hair and feathers in it, I throw the old out and open the can of lacquer. That one pint will outlast me, I am quite sure.
Regards,
Gandolf
But head cement can't do this
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I seem to recall that MEK is more toxic to humans that acetone or lacquer thinner for identical exposures. Probably not a problem with the small amount that vaporizes with head cement use but I would not want to deal with an accidental MEK spill in the house. Probably best to fill the head cement bottle in the garage. In fact probably best to use the garage for all pouring of volatiles into the head cement.
I'm aware of the dangers of MEK. Not to mention that I don't have a garage. I'll probably just stick with the lacquer thinner.
Hi All,
Fly Godess: Neat Fly! Thank you for the information that the SH holds up better than the cheap nail polish. The amount of head cement I use is such that I can afford to buy the Sally Hansens. They must have some sort of elastomer in the formula. You are right, I think it would take a long time to build up enough coating with ordinary head cement to equate to the fly you show above, and if you could it still wouldn't be the same.
Concerning the dangers of Acetone, Lacquer Thinner, and MEK, the acetone is the least dangerous, I am quite sure, but I haven't looked at the toxicity. Lacquer thinner used to contain toluene and methanol in plentious amounts I think. Neither of those is a bargain to breath.
They have changed the formulation of lacquer thinner, maybe two decades or so ago, to make it less hazardous. The price of that, of course, is that it isn't as good of a solvent as it used to be because the more toxic compounds also happen to have the best solvency properties. From personal experience I know it does not work as well as MEK. I keep gallon amounts of all three, and other solvents as well, in my garage.
I ought to switch to the acetone, perhaps because of the health concerns, but don't breath much in my fly tying anyway, and the amount of acetone I breath at work in a week, even though I try to be careful with it and work in a hood as much as possible, is probably more than I will breath in several years of fly tying.
I'm heading to the lumber yard in a bit, something about replacing the turbine vent on the 2nd floor of our house, which blew off last night, because there is a good chance of rain tonight. Sigh, there is no rest for the weary.... At any rate, I will look at the compostion of the Ace brand lacquer thinner to see what nasties are in it currently.
My point is that none of the thinners is risk free. Again, I am fairly certain that the acetone is probably the least toxic. Still, we need to be careful with all of them.
Regards,
Gandolf
Hi All,
I looked at Lacquer Thinner at the lumber yard, and it contained Acetone, ethyl acetate, methanol, petrolium distillates, and Toluene. Thus, the Lacquer Thinner is pretty bad for you, as there is in fact methanol and toluene in it.
There was no MEK for sale in small packages there, only a 5 gallon can, the only small containers present were of "MEK Substitute." I looked up the "MEK Substitute" MSDS on the Klean Strip site, and it is 100% ethyl acetate. Ethyl Acetate is one of the many solvents used in nail polish, and one of the many solvents used in nail polish remover.
I think ethyl acetate should work for nail polish solvent, but don't know at this point. I may buy a little bit to try.
I would guess that they don't carry small containers of MEK because of concerns about toxicity. That is the only reason that makes any sense to me.
If I try the "MEK Substitute" as a thinner for head cement (lacquer and also nail polish), I will let you know about how it works. The nice thing about it, is that it is available in the quart size, or so, containers. Small containers are handy to store and safer compared to the gallon sizes.
Regards,
Gandolf
I have not had a problem thinning SH with 100% pure acetone as you describe. Just a few drops every now and then with an eye dropper seems to work for me. I use the SH "clear" without any other additives.
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I also would like to suggest you never use fingernail polish remover to dilute SH. I use regular Lacquer Thinner from the hardware store.
A thinner for "rubbery" coatings like Softex or Dave's Flexament is Toluene from the same hardware store. It is rediculous to spend $2 or $3 for an ounce for either of these thinners when you can get a quart for about $9. :)
Most,
I really got a chuckle out of this thread. Many of us, yes I include myself, will and have spent hundreds (more like 000s) of $s on fly fishing equipment. Many of us tyers have spent $thousands$ on fly tying equipment, hooks and materials. Some perhaps even spent $100+ on a neck from which we use just a few feathers or just to have. But yet we try and save some pennies on an item like head cement @ less then $3 that will last a very long time. We really need therapists and this little 'hobby' of ours is really a sickness. Not saying that I regret or desire to get rid of my sickness. I just acknowledge that I have it, LOL.
Allan