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Ducksterman "UJ....I'm curious...what were the qualities that made the line not really good?"
Soft or limp line is good for spinning and casting; stiffer (wiry line) better for fly leaders. Maybe I'm showing my age; I remember when Trilene advertised their "soft" line.
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I've used several different formulas, but I think making the butt and quick taper out of a stiff mono helps, I use Maxima, then softer for 5X on down works for me. I like Umpqua tippet material.
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I use the Harry Murray forumla from Leadercalc on globalflyfisher.com. I find that led works great for all my warm water fishing on my 6-8 wt rods. Panfish, bass etc etc.
-wayne
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While not a complete book on making leaders, I have saved this link because it was to the point with some nice formulas: http://www.flyfishusa.com/tackle-tip...t-leaders.html
Rick
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for steel i use 25lb,20,15,10,mono then I go 8 or 6 flouro on very small barrel swivel . if they break off u lose tippet only. I use this for steelies because you are either nymphing or using streamers and flouro sinks and is invisible to fish.. I use 25 for the butt so the line sinks faster in the high flows of the great lakes. for regular bassing I just use 30,20,10, then 6 or 4lb no swivel. if you follow leader recipes to a tee they will turn over with ease. mine work well enough for my river and I can cast just fine with them and they have never lost me a fish. i have straightened the hook out before breakin the line. I blood knot every piece together and use improved clinch for leader to fly and leaders to barrel swivels. I use a nail knot for fly line to leader. you can adjust that recipe for a better turn over ratio if you want. have fun and good luck!
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JKurtz
When you mentioned that you were not happy with them, exactly what points were displeasing? Were they not turning over fully, too much power, etc.?
I have found that smaller rods with lighter lines can't turn over as much leader as heavier lines and rods. I am down to a little three foot furled leader made with 6/0 Uni on my ought weight. This set up works well for me. Anything more than that and it simply could not turn it over nicely.