Im a newbie tyer and Ive been tying clousers . I was wondering what a clouser like minnow with bead chain be called? It swims hook side down so is it still a clouser. I saw many of these flies at the local shop and was just wondering .
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Im a newbie tyer and Ive been tying clousers . I was wondering what a clouser like minnow with bead chain be called? It swims hook side down so is it still a clouser. I saw many of these flies at the local shop and was just wondering .
May be totally wrong in my assumption, but I'd call it a clouser with bead chain eyes. :shock: and most fishable!!!
clouser minnow
should fish just fine
if it doesn't flip over, suggest tying in the colors reversed...chartreuese on top white on bottom, assuming those are the colors yer using.
Yes those are the colors im using and yes im reverseing the colors. I just wasnt sure if it was still considered a clouser. Ive been tying these also for my new salt rod with the idea of using them in shallow(3/5ft) water , I have yet to try them.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr. blur
i use bead chain eyes and they still ride hook up. id say if you want it to ride eith the hook point up, use bead chain eyes with a bigger diameter.
Maybe its because ive been doing it on a sinking line but mine ride hook down but.Perhaps your correct about the diameter of the bead chain. Ill give it a try the next time im out.Quote:
Originally Posted by DDRRedneck500
I tie many of them with bead chain eyes.
I use the bigger ones, instead of tha small stuff.
They turn the hook upside down and work flawlessly for me.
In the '40's in order to add weight to the classic and ever popular bucktail streamers, Joseph Bates added bead chain eyes. He stated that the "new" streamer didn't deserve a "new" name or to be named after him, as he had only added bead chain. (Check out Bates' large streamer book... it holds up well even today!)
In the mid-1980's, like Bates before him, Tom Schmucker of Wapsi, saw the need for an even heavier means of weighting that "classic bead chain streamer", and Tom designed, manufactured, and sold small lead dumb bell eyes to be used in the place of the bead chain on the every popular, small bucktail streamers.
These small lead eyes sold like crazy and soon every tyer in the country, or at least every FFF tyer that attended the Southern Council Conclave in Mountain Home, AR, where the dumbbell eyes were exhibited and sold, quickly adapted the new lead dumbbell eyes and our boxes filled with these new heavier and more effective "Bucktail Streamers".
About 18 -24 months, or so later, Fly Fisherman magazine came out with an article by Lefty Kreh, in which Lefty described the so called "Clouser Minnow"... named after Lefty's long time close friend and well known guide, Bob Clouser.
When that magazine arrived at my friend Bill's house, he opened it up and said "Look at this!" He then walked over to his tying bench and opened one of several steamer boxes - a fly box that contained about 150 "Clousers"... many of them well-worn from catching fish. Bill stated, ?I didn?t know that we?ve been tying CLOUSERS! Where the hell did that come from??
Now, Lefty is a wonderful guy, and I also hear the Bob Clouser is a fine person. Lefty once told me that he always does what he can "to help out his friends"... as well we all should. But as a tyer who has had my innovative patterns credited in print to people to whom I demo.ed that pattern, I still have a hard time with this whole ?clouser? deal.
It goes to show that regardless of which tyer comes up with a new pattern, technique, or innovation, it is the person who first has that pattern, technique, or innovation PUBLISHED WITH THEIR NAME ON IT that gets the CREDIT!
'Cuz ya' can't put the genie back in the bottle, once it escapes... I know - I?ve tried.
So, in answer to your question, ?what a clouser like minnow with bead chain be called?? or for that matter any weight-forward Bucktail style streamer?
You can:
A) follow the lead of Joseph Bates and Tom Schmucker and say that the change from bead chain to lead eyes was not enough of a variation to warrant a ?new name? ? therefore this pattern should still be designated by its classic name, ?Bucktail Streamers?.
B) buck the tide and call them after the man who designed the lead eyes and first placed them on a bucktail streamer, therefore this pattern should be known as ?Schmuckers?, or
C) honor the man who?s lifelong friend ?took care of him? and ignore A and B and call ANY forward-weighted streamer? whether with bead chain, lead dumbbell eyes, or coneheads after Bob Clouser. After all that?s what the ?experts? in the magazines do?
The choice is yours.
However, this does lead to the next obvious question,
"Who's name should be on the so-called "Cone Head Clousers"?
If Bob Clouser gets to have his name on Bates streamer by being one of hundreds (or thousands) of tyers who added a common, easier purchased, innovative replacement material to a "classic pattern", then who's name should be on that streamer when "cone heads" are utilized to replace the lead dumbbells?
Oh and don't tell me that Clouser invented the conehead..........
Oh well, in the end only a few ?enlightened? tyers will care?
Bowfin47
PS
Don?t get me wrong, I still think Lefty is GREAT!! Just a few weeks ago, he gave my son a casting lesson on utilizing shooting heads... a thrill of a lifetime for my 16 year old son.
Thanks again Lefty!
Ive heard a shop owner make a similar statement about the clouser foam minnow .