PMD using Turkey Rounds?

I am tying some size 17 PMD's this morning. I am using what I THINK folks call "turkey rounds". Not completely sure of the term. These are the non-leading edge of turkey quills. In the photo below, the "quills", normally used, are on the left side of the wing. What I call the "rounds" are on the right side.
Correct my terminology if wrong.

I like using the non-quill side feathers as in small hooks, they work a bit better..........

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Turkey rounds look and act more like pheasant tails. Each side of the feather quill has fibers about the same length. I treat the "other side" of biot quills just like I do plain old biots.

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Originally Posted by Longs for Cutts

Turkey rounds look and act more like pheasant tails. Each side of the feather quill has fibers about the same length. I treat the "other side" of biot quills just like I do plain old biots.

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Walt,
Did I miss-name the fibers of the Turkey Biot feather I am using?

I have never heard the term "round" applied to turkey primary feathers. I would simply call them "trailing-edge barbs" from turkey primaries.

The confusion may come from the "flats" that are the typical contour feather covering almost the entire turkey. Flats are used for LOTS of different things of course.

Hap,
Thanks.
I have heard of "Turkey Rounds". Can anyone tell me what exactly they are?
Thanks

What I call "Turkey Rounds" are the secondary wing feathers. They have long fibers on both sides of the quill. The feathers you have shown are primary feathers, with long fibers on one side and the shorter fibers we use for "biots" on the other. I don't know if there would be a different effect when used as a wrapped body.

http://www.flytyingfurs.com/images/W...rounds_web.jpg

Thanks Jay.
Have you used those fibers as abdomens? Is the effect the same?
Thanks again

I have not tried them. I've seen them used by Walter Wiese in his videos. I have not seen them dyed in solid colors in the local flyshops. I have seen them offered on some non-flyshop websites.

Feathercraft does or did sell them. I just looked in the Hareline catalog and they're still available wholesale.

The overall effect is much more like a pheasant tail fiber in that they are basically fuzzy "in general," versus a biot that has only one fuzzy edge.

Byron: I figure it's a biot if it comes off a primary feather. "True" biots are more tapered, but the barbs from the other side of the feather wrap the same way.

Thanks Walt. I guess what I am using, then, is the "long strand side of a Turkey biot quill feather".
Whatever it may be called, I really like it for tying small flies.

I think that turkey rounds are the recomended feather used in tying Ed Story's crackleback fly. Gerri

Anyone have a photo of turkey rounds?

Jay posted the pic quite a while back

Guys,

I had seen the first photo but have always thought those feathers were known as 'secondaries'. I had never heard the term 'rounds' applied to them. So I asked for another photo to clarify the confusion(mine) about the name.
Thanks.

Allan