Loop knots for heavier tippets...
Like a lot of fly fishers I use a double surgons loop, or a perfection loop for loop to loop connections while fishing for small to medim sized fish. They are quick easy knot that hold fairly well. I have done some of my own testing with them and found that the perfection loop is stonger until 4x or 3x tippet, then the double surgeons loop is stronger. Neither is stronger than the knot I use to attach the fly. For larger fish and heavier tippet, I taught myself how to tie a bimmini twist with my mouth and 2 hands on stream. It takes about 3 times as long to tie as the other loop knots, uses about 10 times more tippet, and creates a spot in my tippet prone to catching on tidbits in the water. It is however a 100% knot.
My question is: Does anyone know of a good 90-100% loop knot that uses less tippet and its lower profile than the bimmini twist? or of a different system to attach fly line to leader other than loop to loop that doesn't slowly eat up the fly line.
I am using tippet from 10 to 18 lbs for salmon and need every ounce of strength I can get. Thanks to anyone out there that can help out.
Re: Loop knots for heavier tippets...
i like a non slip mono loop 8)
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would a blood knot work for ya???
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I've been using the bowline knot with all sizes of leader and tippet for decades.
It's quick and easy to tie and it's never let me down. It will not slip or back out.
http://www.wtv-zone.com/markg/mag/mag3/bowlin.gif
Re: Loop knots for heavier tippets...
Most often you'll see the spyder hitch as the recommended substitute for the bimmini
The spyder hitch is really nothing more than a five (or is it 7?) turn surgons loop, but for me I find them harder to tie than the bimmini
So when I worry about such things I use a doubled, three turn surgons loop.
But now that I think about it, a doubled non-slip mono loop might be even better
Re: Loop knots for heavier tippets...
dudley,
You will get a lot better answers to your question than mine. I assume you fish for a lot larger fish than what I have here or I fish for, but, for my fishing needs I use the Castwell Knot to attach the furled leader to the fly line and the Eugene Bend Knot to attach the fly to the Tippet. The Castwell Knot makes a very small knot that goes through the guides easily and uses maybe 1/2" of fly line to tie. The Eugene Bend Knot is suppose to be as strong as the tippet pound test.
This probably does not help, but, it is what I use and am very satisfied with.
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I am now using a Nail Knot to attach leader to fly line for my 5wt. and my 8wt. I then use Blood knots for the leader - 5' of 25#, 2.5' of 20#, and 15" of 0X. (For my 3wt. I go with 20#, then 15#, & then 1X.) I use a Double Surgeon to add tippet. I've used this set-up for Steelhead and some big LM. This Sunday I'm going on my first Carp trip and we'll see if it stands up to that. This formula really allows the fly to turn over and there are no Loop Knots to catch in the ferrules.
Re: Loop knots for heavier tippets...
The nonslip loop knot is nearly a 100% knot. You can use it for the loop to loop as well as for the tippet to fly. In the latter case, it allows for more action with the fly, especially with heavy tippets. It is a quick and easy knot to tie and uses little in the way off tippet.
regards,
Keith
http://www.flyfisherman.com/skills/lkknots/index1.html
http://www.fintalk.com/fishing-knots/no ... -knot.html
http://www.orlandooutfitters.com/knots/knot.asp?id=8
http://www.flyfishingconnection.com/nonslip.html
Re: Loop knots for heavier tippets...
in my unscientific tests a figure eight loop beats a perfection loop 9 out of ten times.