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perplex too? [page 4]
This message is to RonMT, WarrenP and Marco...
My name is adam, I am a 44 year old (recently upgraded to the middle class) father of two boys and a lovely new bride. I make a web site (actually, I've made many) on fly fishing that I think is slightly older than this one. I meet the FAOL administrators while on a fly fishing surfari to find out about why another fly fishing web site even older than ours was going to be a monopoly, collectively, we didn't like that.
Anyway, I've taken a different tack, my own, all of my life. I am a skateboarder (still), an old punk rocker (my favorite music is bluegrass and classical), I'm a paraglider/hang glider pilot of more than 25 years, pioneer snowsurfer and the point of my "tirade" is that I'm a angler, preferably a fly fisher. Having been a veteran in the US Army, I understand freedom of speach and diversity so now we are on an even playing field.
I came to fly fishing from spin fishing. Although I am a dedicated fly fisher of streams, rivers, lake and sea, I sometimes pull out the spinning or baitcasting rod in the Sea of Cortez to sling lead, to sea the sound and listen... I didn't forget where I came from and I'm definately not going to forget why I'm here or where I'm going.
Fly fishing is not high church or anything other than fishing. You, as a fly fisher are no better or worse than a Native American snagging fish on his own stream. We are all anglers and the sooner we get toward that, the better. Most women wonder why we "throw them back" and PETA for G~d's sake, well, they could care less how barbless our hooks are.
With that said, I produce a web site that I write stories and share my experiences to who ever wishes to read them. More importantly, I publish YOUR stories in the vernacular. I don't like fly fishing magazines for the most part and I buck the advertisement there and here. Conversely, I will post an ad for companies I do believe in and write about their goods.
You see, I want to see performance fly rods in the hands of poor students who drive fecked up pick-up trucks hundreds of miles to fish, spending all their cash on the destination, NOT the equipment. And when they get back, I want to read about it weather it is here, or at the web site I publish. It's the journey I'm after, the experience, not the accoutrements of it although a fine reel and rod are certainly a nice thing to behold in a snow storm or blazing heat.
I'm not coming over here to garner any more readers, shine that. The people that I want to be involved with find their way anyway and most of them visit other sites as well. That's the kind of people I like to share my time with, not some grouchy junkyard dog defending their turf. I'm here because I want to be. I've been here probably a lot longer than you because I want to be.
I like this web site, it's the best [albiet bloated] attempt that I've read since the internet has been available. Even with it's commercialism, all that which I don't like, a pretty good feel comes through.
You guys who I mention?
Well, if I had the time to get to know you, I would probably like you and like most of my fly fishing friends I have meet online, the common bond would be strong. But for now, I think you are fool of yourselves and I would appreciate it if you would back the [explicative] up and help Deanna and Jim keep this place a little more clean, a little less flak, tu sabe? Help keep the site going to the next level through the critical mass.
Never feel like you are under someone's thumb, you are not. Free to go, you are, even more free to stay, it's a good place but there are a whole lot more out on the internet. I'm always looking and the reason why I build mine is because I don't believe in a monopoly. You will find mentions to this site at my own, I promote others to visit anywhere they please and I don't want any kooks who believe in a monopoly pontificating about fly fishing, here or there.
Now you decide what you want to do with those words of yours, I've already decided what I have done and will do with mine.
Take care,
adam
[insert website here]
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Soooo....anyhow....
How 'bout them Royals?
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Trouts don't live in ugly places
[This message has been edited by Betty Hiner (edited 03 June 2005).]
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me, twoshoes and dan the minstral (best non-fisher fisher) are going to the Sea of Cortez today for an emergency fishing trip, spinning rods though so give twoshoes some grief about that, ok?
now I promise I'll stay away for a while.
all the best,
adam
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Who are the Royals? Can they beat the Mariners? I doubt it.
Real men use 2 hands.
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Kerry,
I'd doubt that on a good day they'd have a hard time beating a team from a girls priory!
Gotta love 'em! Ha!
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Trouts don't live in ugly places
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The Royals & the Mariners, well now I have the best last place team in Baseball to root for. The Phillies!
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/biggrin.gif
Jerry
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Dot Man,
I have to agree.....
Phillies; 27 & 27
Mariners; 22 & 30
Royals: 16 & 37
At least your Phillies are playing .500
ball.
Real men use two hands
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Dear Adam!
After reading your second post, I ditto my reply to your first post.
I'll try two fingers of Glenmorangie neat and try again.
Mark
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I'd rather be in Wyoming!
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Who is this Fellow Named Adam? Why has he created a new language? What is a spinning rod?
Rich
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rich, if i'm not mistaken, a spinning rod is a rod for people who want to cast really far and catch really big fish. at least that what it looks like to me when i encounter them while fly fishing.
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Hey Flymaker;
In order to "enlighten" you, a spinning rod is used to make wool. It was invented by Elias Howe who also invented the Boll Weavil and also drank Gin.
PLease call on me anytime to fill the gaps of your ignorance.
Mark
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That's right oh exhaulted one. ( I was absent that day) Elias Howe invented the Sinclair sewing machine,and the grim reaper. Either that or gas stations. In any case great men. And lets not forget Graham(sp) crackers and doorbells by the one and only........... Oh where would we be without these great minds??
Mark
PS. Almost forgot good ole Guttenberg and his invention of the Ten Commandments. Like I said, I may have been absent.
correction: Cyrus McCormick invented the grim reaper along with spices in cute little red and white containers.
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Hey Hywell;
And you don't see the humor in those quotes?
ANOTHER one of your posts with which I disagree.
Mark
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I'd rather be in Wyoming!
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Go Cubs!
Steve
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"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went"-Will Rogers
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I like both sites.
Go Phillies!
Analogbob from NE Pa.
"We live in an analog universe!"
"Trout, Mushrooms and Astronomy forever!"
Bob
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I like adam. It's like me daddy always said, "Son....... In this world you are either your own man...... or someone elses boy."
"It's up to you what you want to be."
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Wow. We fly fishermen are a testy lot.
Oh, and I don't own a Sage rod. Never have, never will. Why bother when you can own custom bamboo for the same or less (and you can.)
If we must be elitist, then for the record, graphite is for spinning rods. Real fly fishermen fish bamboo.
Heck, I would venture to say that there is very little difference in casting a 1/4oz. Dardevle and casting a #16 Red Royal Pompous Arse, at least in the essence of each. Fishing is fishing. We as fly fishermen need to get over ourselves.
Of course, in my opinion there is some human need to be better than the masses, at the top of the status heirarchy. It's why my parents blew their retirement on an Avion fifth wheel instead of a Fleetwood - they're the same thing, but one has STATUS... or at least they think so. It's why, when you travel to India, you are mobbed by [url=http://www.dalitnetwork.org/who.html:20384]Dalit children[/url:20384]. Someone decided they were better than them. Someone manufactured STATUS... It's why kids fight to be first in line on the playground...
So, I for one, don't buy STATUS. I don't purchase it either. Heck, I choose to drive a Dodge Neon. I could easily afford that Volvo or Audi, like the ones in my neighbors' garages, but it really doesn't do anything any better than my silver bullet, much to the neighbors' dismay. Utility. I drive. I fish.
I fly fish because it's fun for me. I'm not a better person than the guys in the sparkly boats that dress like stock car drivers, not a better fisherman than bubba and his home dug worms.
The reality is that nobody is better than those they look down upon, it's usually quite the opposite.
Go Fish.
-Gus
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JC, this is a classic example of "Res Ipsa Loquitur" (the Attorneys among us would tell you that the Latin term is often used.)
Translation = "The thing (evidence/action/statements) speaks for itself".
'Nuff said
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Snow on the roof but with fire still in the hearth
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Hey Silvertop;
So THAT's what Ceasar uttered to Brutus as he ( Brutus) was about to stab him. You know, it just goes to show ya, everyday you learn something new. And when you know it all, you graduate and DIE.
Mark
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I'd rather be in Wyoming!
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Hey Gus,
How is it going? Still hanging out around the Rogue?
I use graphite rods myself. The 2 handed versions of bamboo are far more expensive then the graphite versions. I have cast a couple of bamboo spey rods and they don't measure up in my opinion but I know others that love them.
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Real men use two hands.
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Y'know Marco, I wasn't there at the time, but I heard that Ceasar actually said, "Dang, that knive is sure sharp, Brutus!". Twern't nothin said about "you ate too?" Ceasar didn't give a rat's behind whether Brutus had a full stomach or not y'know.
Anyway, this thread started badly IMHO and this'll probably end it badly.
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Kerry,
I no longer live there... Round Rock Texas is home now, after six years on the Rogue... It's a Job Thang.
...and I'll make concessions for graphite two handers, I guess, as long as my buddy Bob builds them for you. He's cheaper than those name brands and as you know, is the Zen Master of the big stick. He's finishing one for me as we speak, actually, a 5/6 switch that I'll line with a single hand 7wt line and will blow the lone star bass boys' minds.
-G
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oh it started just fine.
somewhere in between, red herrings (bait) were tossed into the mix, toes were stepped on, and words were misinterpreted.
feuding is rarely productive. rational discussion frequently is.
mgj
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Gus,
I have cast a few of your buddy's rods and they are nice. I have a good friend that had a big hand in the development of some new speys offered by Loomis. They cost a bit but they cast like a dream and I have found few that do the Skagit as well as the new Dredgers do so I will pony up the big bucks to own one.
I hope you are comfortable in Texas and have found how to fish the big state to your satisfaction.
KLS
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...still getting used to the fact that all of the fish are green. http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/wink.gif
But having fun, nonetheless. BambooBass!
