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I was asked something the other day, and had no idea how to answer.
Someone asked if there was a downside in buying a rotary look-a-like vise? Is it the same? Are you missing anything by not having the name embossed?
I never tried a look-a-like so I couldn't answer. The prices were far apart from name brand to make me curious.
Does anyone have a budget vise that they're pleased with?
DianeID,
While there are several low cost vises of very decent quality, there are also several very suspect. Low grade materials, sub-standard tolerances, and more often than not design flaws.
Without more detail (brands/model or price range) it is hard to comment specifically, but by and large it pays to invest in an established brand which has had vises on the market for some time.
Cheers,
Hans W
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DianeID,
When I first started tying about 5 years ago I bought an "economy" regal vise for about $34 bucks. I love it. I haven't had any problems with it at all. Last Fall I bought a Danvise and use it quite a bit, and for the price, it's hard to beat. Good luck.
Quality control is very spotty in the lookalike vises. One tying club I'm familiar with bought several "Grizzly" vises a few years back. They are brass-bodied clones of the Regal. Of the 18 that they bought, 4 or 5 of them are still in operation. Some pinched small hooks in two, some had soft jaws that deformed quickly. 4 or 5 had it right, and are still in use, so it's a gamble.
Diane, when I got back into tying about ten years ago I couldn't find my old Herter's, and someone gave me a cheapo something or other than wouldn't hold a hook. Very frustrating. I was helping some scouts and four-her's get started and bought a bunch of the Cabelas traveling boxes, which for the price was incredible. Held hooks and included many tools. Obviously these weren't intended as everyday vises but I used them for years before buying a Danvise. I love it. Bottomline for me is whether they'll hold a hook. I don't need to spend $300 for that. Rotary is fine but not absolutely necessary. JGW
Thanks, everyone, for your opinion. I passed them on and he still seems ify about buying something that may or may not work. When I asked for more info (I compared it to someone asking "What camera should I buy?"), he finally broke down and said "Ummm, something on eBay." I told him not to be embarassed. There are great, good, average, and bad deals there.
This is what he sent me. [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-BRAND-NAME-LOOK-A-LIKE-FLY-TYING-FISHING-FLIES-VISE_W0QQitemZ7239041114QQcategoryZ44913QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem:90a6a]http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-BRAND-NAME-LOOK-A-LIKE-FLY-TYING-FISHING-FLIES-VISE_W0QQitemZ7239041114QQcategoryZ44913QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem[/url:90a6a]
Diane,
For the price listed on the Ebay auction your friend could buy the no name vise from Hook and Hackle. I have heard it reviewed favorably on this and other boards and also you have Hookhack standing behind the vise. Their customer service and willingness to "make it right" are legendary (even if they are under new ownership). That would be the direction I would send them if it were me. Besides the one on Hookhack just looks like a lot better vise than the one on Ebay. Too many words in that description that make me wary. Just my opinion.
DianeID:
Regarding the vise to which you posted the link - I would not buy it. There is no handle to aid rotation. The jaw assembly appears quite heavy and so without the aid of a handle the rotation may be awkward or the tension have to be set relatively high to avoid the problem of the jaws falling to the bottom of the rotation.
It is not clear how the tension on rotation is adjusted. There is a machine screw tightened by an allen wrench that adjusts the angle of the off-set and thus the height of the jaws: can it be tightened sufficiently or does it come loose? The jaws are held in a bracket that is screwed onto the angled bar, which is locked with a brass nut. Will it remain stable or will it start to wiggle. For almost the same price you can get a Danvise ? I have had mine for at least 5 years and 1,000 flies. Buying the vise you linked would be penny wise and pound foolish IMHO.
DianeID;
I purchased that same vise on Ebay a couple of year's ago. The rotary actions is very dificult to use. However, the jaw's are very hard and hold hook's well. The bobbin cradle is not adjustable leaving a lot of thread to spool up every time you use it. It served me well for at least 2 years and was donated to a highschool class when I purchased the H&H vise mentioned above.
I got both the clamp and base with the H&H and like it a lot. It holds hooks down to size 22. Still learning to use the rotary action though.
As an aside. I did buy a cheap ($10.00), soft jawed thompson style vise and using a chain saw file and flat file shaped the jaws to be a midge vise for 24's down.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The rotary vise from Hook&Hackle has received
some kind words on this forum, and is supposed to be true rotary. For around $35,
it might be worth a try.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I bought this one about a year ago as my fisrt good vise>> love it. It does all that I need with very few short falls. Most excellent for the $$$$$.
E_Z vise [url=http://www.hookhack.com/images/ZEPHYRGRAY.JPG:66863]http://www.hookhack.com/images/ZEPHYRGRAY.JPG[/url:66863]
Thanks for all the feedback. I can tell you my friend really appreciates all your notes and comments. He was mulling over his morning coffee, but he feels better for not jumping in and buying something without advise. (Sorry about that pun.) http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/smile.gif
He's going to pass up on that eBay vise and look around some more.
All this has me interested in a rotary, too. I'm still tying on the old simple vise that is nearly 20 years old now. Someday I would like to upgrade to a rotary. My wire nymphs tend to be a bit ratty at times, and a local tier said a rotary makes it easy.
Regards,
Diane
I have a Griffith Spider it has served me well for about 2 1/2 years. The operation is flawless. I use all manner and sizes of hooks in it. The price was fantastic, compared to other rotary vices. Just my 2 cents. John
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I wish you all everlasting flies and tight lines.
One more comment Diane. I like ebay too, and if you watch closely you can grab a bargain ! I just purchased a Danvise for $64.50 complete with video and bobbin holder. I relise that this is more than $35, but the Danvise is established quality and true rotary ( see Hans Weilenman's vise evaluation on VFS) No shame in seeking bargains on ebay!
"Tap her light and she'll always be fresh"
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Diane, I wanted to send you a private email about this seller but you don't have an email address posted. Since it's off-topic I didn't really want to post it here. For those others of you reading, I like the seller quite a bit. No knowledge of that vise though. For Diane, if you email me I'll happily talk about the seller in regards to your future possible purchases there. No relationship, just a happy customer.
"Suggest" to your friend, that he go to a fly shop, or sporting goods store with tying supplies, and sit down and TRY each of the vises that they have in stock. Eveyone of them has a uniqueness, and by feeling how they handle, and what ever "things" they offer (rotaty, straight, inexpensive, pricey), a better knowledgable decision can be made.
Hey, Hans! I didn't EVEN suggest using a vice-grip plyers!
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Trouts don't live in ugly places
How about copying this one....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...an/Chappie.jpg
Betty,
He had an interesting experience at one store that had about half a dozen brand name vises from simple to very complex.
The first problem is he went on a grey cool Saturday a few weeks ago. Not to go into details, he ended up being swamped by opinions and debates by several other guys that wanted to help out. They all meant well, but he came out just a little less confused than before. He knows of a few features he likes, but he doesn't want to spend a lot of money if he doesn't have to. College tuition is coming up this fall, http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/frown.gif and he's already budgeting.
OMG!!!! THAT'S the one I told Hans I hadn't mentioned!! Too funny!!
Diane, one way I've learned to not have to worry about others "helping" , is to turn, with a totally blank look on my face, look at them, say NOT ONE WORD, and turn back.
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Trouts don't live in ugly places
Diane,
Unless you're stuck in the that $20 bracket...look around for a used Renzetti Traveller.
Just MHO obviously, but it's about as much "trout" vise as most of us would want to last us dang near a lifetime....
The better goodies are available but you pay more to hear the "louder music" *BG*
Jeremy.
A Peak vice new is like $99. I am sure if you look you can find a used one for cheaper. Lots of guys and gals I know love them and they are half the price of my Traveler. I looked at both and almost went with the Peak myself at the time but figured to go ahead and buy the Traveler since I was in the fly shop with a $500 shopping sprey any ways. {Trade of used goods doing me no good for a $500 store credit.
I have the same vice as the one shown on ebay(but mine was only $25). I've had it for just over a year. It holds the hooks pretty good, but the rotary feature is a pain to use and it NEEDS to be broken down and loc-tited before using it. I locked the rotating part and tie with it as if it were a standard(non-rotary) vice. By the way, I tie on that vice sizes ranging from 18 - 3/0 without many problems. I haven't tried anything smaller than 18(yet) but it won't hold bigger than 3/0 very well. For the bigger stuff I still have to use a regular bench vice to hold it.
Thanks for all your comments. I passed them on to my friend. He is really impressed with your helpfulness and knowledge.
jklett, welcome aboard. I was double-checking that item out of curiousity. Thanks for the test-drive opinion.
Hikepat, my friend looked up the vise late last night and couldn't find one for less than $125. Who has the $99?
[This message has been edited by DianeID (edited 10 May 2006).]
I also have the vise referred on hookhack, I also have been very happy with it for an inexpensive rotary vise. I had a similar experience with the Regal look-a-like, sometimes broke smaller hooks and the jaws have chipped in a couple of years of moderate usage. I wouldn't recommend it.
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Fish more, work less!
as of 11:15 EDT on Tuesday evening this is the best buy on eBay according to your friend's needs. [url=http://cgi.ebay.com/Griffin-Odyssey-Spider-Rotary-Fly-Tying-Vise-New_W0QQitemZ7241094934QQcategoryZ44916QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem:e1a50]http://cgi.ebay.com/Griffin-Odyssey-Spider-Rotary-Fly-Tying-Vise-New_W0QQitemZ7241094934QQcategoryZ44916QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem[/url:e1a50]
Thanks! I'll pass on the message.
Diane
My new Peak vise is sweet! I chose it because they are a local company, in the nearest town to my location, and the price was great -- I didn't know what I was missing with my worn-out Thompson. I thought it was normal to have to re-set the hook in the vise a couple times for each fly. Peak is coming out with new stuff soon, too -- more holes in the base for attachments, new attachments, carrying case, etc. DANBOB
There are other home-made options as well!
Here's one of my recent creations.
http://www.edengelman.com/JPGONLY/ca...0vise%2027.jpg
Also directions on how to make a vise from an X-acto knife on FAOL.
[url=http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/tyingtips/part318.html:096dc]http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/tyingtips/part318.html[/url:096dc]
Enjoy!!!!
Ducksterman is that you in the photo??? , we should get together sometime.
Ed
[This message has been edited by Extremely Low Budget FF (edited 11 May 2006).]