I have to ask, when did jigs become Flies?
Am seeing more and more posting of jigs purported to be ?Flies?.
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I have to ask, when did jigs become Flies?
Am seeing more and more posting of jigs purported to be ?Flies?.
Nice troll.
I think this is a reasonable question.
I take it you don’t. That’s fine.
I believe this started with the European competitive fly fishing community. But has since spread to Euro style nymph fishers and nymph fishers in general around the world. A competition style jig fly is simply a fly tied with a large tungsten bead so that the hook point rides upward.
There are competition style jig hooks available which have a 60 degree bend at the eye, generally a wide hook gap, and generally a barbless point. See, for example, the Tiemco C400BL.
Competition style flies are generally impressionistic with a "hot spot" either at the tag or the collar. Many are tied "in the round" and many are tied with hard body materials to facilitate sink rate.
If you object to weighted nymph fishing, then they aren't for you. Otherwise, they are just a modern refinement of nymph fly design that have some advantages.
When I was young, we fished with jigs.
I don’t understand how it is “fly fishing”. You can throw nearly anything with a fly rod
Since at least 1940?
See message #6 in this thread:
http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/showthread.php?45173-Mighty-Mite
There are also “worm “flies” “
Call them what you want....to each their own, i fish all year for lots of different kinds of fish from top to bottom and prefer to do it with a fly rod (4 wt thru 8wt). i fish " flies" that are the most effective for the targeted fish at the given water conditions, and sometimes that includes light weight jigs and Clouser minnows.
You misunderstood. There are worm flies. Takeoffs on the Dan Juan worm. Have seen ones strapped to a hook to imitate an earth worm
Basically, you're talking about a style of hook. No different from a dry fly hook, wet fly hook or a streamer hook. If I slip a brass bead on a jig hook and tie a PT Nymph on it. I've tied a fly on that hook. If I tie a Clouser Minnow on a streamer hook using lead dumbbell eyes, I've tied a fly. If I slip a large brass bead or even use dumb bell eyes on a jig hook and tie the same pattern, have I tied a fly called the Clouser Minnow or a buck tail jig?
Definition I found online:
“Jigging is the practice of fishing with a jig, a type of fishing lure. A jig consists of a lead sinker with a hook molded into it and usually covered by a soft body to attract fish. Jigs are intended to create a jerky, vertical motion, as opposed to spinnerbaits which move through the water horizontally.”
Use of a jig hook for a bead head application, no more a jig than a BH bugger. If you are talking about squirmy wormy flies, it is a synthetic aquatic worm, just another material vs chenille.
Unless you are fishing in waters designated as flies only it really makes no difference. In flies only waters the states regulations may outlaw jig hooks. I was told some time ago that people were being ticketed on the Pere Marquette for using flies with lead eyes. Otherwise I draw the limit for fly fishing at about 1/4 of an ounce. Heavier than that I need a spinning rod or a motorcycle helmet.
I don't see much difference between a jig and any other bead headed fly, except the direction of the hook eye. I don't fish with either, but that's my choice.
Rainbow,
Sorry, I didn’t ask about jigs relative to their legality. Rather, it was whether it is/should be mainstream of fly fishing.
Just speaking for myself, only, I get pleasure in fly fishing versus other forms; I.e., bait, spinning, etc because I think it is much more sporting.
I guess the next question would be....what do you consider "mainstream of fly fishing" to be?
I agree with the O.P. The new generation of fly angler's have bought right into marketing ploy's. Fish Skulls have made flies into jigs.....articulated flies have turned flies into conventional lures....... a 6wt. line is really an 8wt. line.....short rods were for B.A.S.S. legality even though fly tackle itself was illegal anyway. Pink rods, chartruese reels......
Well, for discussions sake......Most folks seem to base there opinions on what "fly fishing" is through trout-colored glasses.
Larger beads and dumbell eyes were being used in saltwater for many years prior to fish skulls. Crab flies have been tied point up since I can remember, and a crazy charlie doesn't need a fish skull head.
Articulated flies are nothing new to the bass angler.
Myself and many others have been fishing 7 1/2' glass bass rods long before the 7'11" craze hit.
I think if you compare fly fishing for trout to fly fishing for bass, that "mainstream" gets awful wide.
I have tied some patterns on jig heads to get them deep and have the hook point up.
Some flies like the slumpbuster are tied on jig hooks with a slotted bead.
Also I know an Iowa game warden. I showed him a couple of the "Jig" flies and asked if I would be cited for using them in "Fly Fishing" only waters.
He took pictures and has not got back to me yet.
Rick
Unh...there is nothing about jig patterns, used for nymphing, that is purported ( appear or claim to be or do something, especially falsely; profess ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron haugh
They just plain work and are excellent for placing nymph patterns in the most desirable location in the water column:
https://i.imgur.com/6ZARJSd.jpg
I use them all the time:
https://i.imgur.com/3gYsbFg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zzuhfhe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/nFuFHiG.jpg
Now, the next thing, in fly fishing, that can be complained about (tungsten off-beads), may be found here - but read the whole article, in it's four parts ( cut & paste - not a hot link):
http://flyfishinggazette.com/the-deadly-off-beads-part1/
https://i.imgur.com/sPtrptt.jpg
PT/TB :p
I'm sure that definition would vary somewhat depending on where you find it. But by that definition, the flies I tie on jig hooks are not jigs because I don't fish them in a vertical motion. I would also guess the first tyer who used synthetic materials was scoffed at, too. I don't see that what type of hook you tie your imitation on makes it a "fly" or not.Quote:
Definition I found online:
?Jigging is the practice of fishing with a jig, a type of fishing lure. A jig consists of a lead sinker with a hook molded into it and usually covered by a soft body to attract fish. Jigs are intended to create a jerky, vertical motion, as opposed to spinnerbaits which move through the water horizontally.?
Joe
It's pretty obvious to me that your definition and opinion of jig flies is in the minority and not well accepted. As you stated, "sporting" to you, may be different for some of the members of this site. Think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron haugh
I always figure the mainstream of fly fishing is where I'm standing. The guy in that other creek may disagree or he may be smart enough to know I'm right. Either way it's none of my business unless he's poaching or damaging the habitat.
As I think I said, when I first put a spinning rod away, and started fly fishing, in the 70?s, we often used Maribou jigs. I?ve also seen guys with minnows or worms using a fly rod. Quite effective
When someone said.. Huuummmm.. How can i setup a drop shot rig in a legal manner where I live.... Quite awesomely drop shot with fly is legal here.. But I still just tie on a beadhead n slay em lol
Way to go Bill