http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Lawrence-Waldron-Fly-Tying-Vise-Not-a-Snowbee-Copy-/261329217695?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd86f 689f
I saw this today and have no interest in bidding on it but I thought a few people here might want to.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Lawrence-Waldron-Fly-Tying-Vise-Not-a-Snowbee-Copy-/261329217695?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cd86f 689f
I saw this today and have no interest in bidding on it but I thought a few people here might want to.
I can appreciate the workmanship, but my current hook-holding implement need not worry about being replaced.
Regards,
Scott
I had one and regret having sold it. It is like a sculpture.
One thing, though.
You see videos of well known tiers using one and you never see the tiers using the rotary feature in their tying.
The vise does not have an adjustment to maintain true rotary for different size hooks. As I recall, it is only in true rotary position for a hook in about a size 10 or so. Use a hook in 14 or 16 and you get terrible wobble as the hook shank does not maintain true rotary position.
This is even a bit annoying if turning just for inspection or trimming.
As a stationary vise, it is one of the two best vises ever made! In my personal opinion, that is.
I beg to differ, Byron. Review my videos - hook sizes by and large are in the 10-16 range and rotate pretty close in-line. Rotary tying is absolutely not a problem - there is max 2mm offset. What it is not - a lathe-style free spinning vise such as the Nor-vise, but then it was not designed to be spun - it is hand cranked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron haugh
The LAW jaws concept was an early design criteria - based on observing actual usage of in-line rotary vises across the board by experienced tiers. Let me ask you - when was the last time you saw a tier whip out an allan key, or a twiddle with screws, to achieve absolute in-line position of a hook shank with each change of hook sizes?
We are talking, IMNSHO, the difference between real world practicality versus theoretical adjustability. The LAW vise design is one with a relentless focus on simplicity and practicality.
Its philosophy and the translation into an actual tool appeals to some, and not to others :cool:
Cheers,
Hans W
Disclaimer - I wrote down the functional specifications for my perfect vise, and Lawrence turned a wish list into an actual product - the LAW Bench vise. He delivered, he deserves all the credit, and I have been in tier's heaven since 1989 :D
Hmmmm.
Here is an example of a vise which slides up or down on the curved stem to allow perfect hook shank in-line rotary position regardless of the hook size.
It is built into the design of this, and other vises, for a reason.
It is all about choices............and whether or not you often tie rotary...........
http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9d570f56.jpg
The purpose of a vise is simple: Hold the darn hook solidly in place. Of course the angle of the vise head and clearance behind it must aid in tying and add to your comfort. So if a stationary vise is all that's needed, you can get a lot better for a lot lesser. LOL, but serious nonetheless.
And the real world advantage is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron haugh
Byron, the only reason I decided to post is your statement:
"Use a hook in 14 or 16 and you get terrible wobble as the hook shank does not maintain true rotary position."
We all have our preferences - mine (and also Lawrence) was for simplicity and real world tying.
For you the ability to micro-adjust the shank position is a priority. You are of course entitled to your view - as I am of mine.
I think we best agree to disagree, and move on to other things :cool:
Cheers,
Hans W
It keeps the hook shank in a stationary plane. When rotating the vise head, the hook shank does not wobble.
I THINK this may be why Renzetti, Dyna King, and many others have an adjustment to allow the tier to maintain the hook shank in a stationary plane while the hook/fly is rotated....................
Whereas I think these makers will build what they think will sell more vises, add features. Lawrence was never interested in selling numbers, and built what he believes delivers the best experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron haugh
Question - how many Renzetti, DynaKing, etc vises have you seen being resold for more than they originally retailed?
I rest my case.
Hans,Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans Weilenmann
You can't really compare Renzetti or DynaKing as examples because they're still being manufactured. Just off the top of my head, Thomas, PH Young, Pamola Fly Lathe, Allcock's, and A.K. Best vises go for way more than their original cost when they go on eBay. The LAW vise is now in that group, no longer made and a thing of the past. The sad thing about the LAW vise now, is that it's attracting folks that don't even tie flies and they're buying them as some type of possible investment or must have collectable. Take a look at the bidders buying history on the current listing.
Regards,
Mark
Hans,
I'm sure your fondness and support of the LAW vise is well founded and I would never argue about yours or anyones preference. Generally, we tye on what we like, what we believe does the job(at a minimum adequately), and what we care to $ spend. But, and here's the 'but', what does, "Question - how many Renzetti, DynaKing, etc vises have you seen being resold for more than they originally retailed?" have to do with anything? I have a Thompson 'A' in excellent condition that I can sell for at least 3 times what it sold for when new. As far as B's comment about some adjustment on the Renzetti, the one I have needs no adjustment to go rotary.
Cheers.
Allan
*chuckle*Quote:
Originally Posted by Allan
Hi Allan,
My question was prompted by Byron bringing up the adjustment options of these and other vises as an important benefit - and may or may not be relevant.
Here is a simple fact - in 30 years of tying at international shows, with the most experienced of tiers - I have never ever seen any of my fellow tiers re-align the jaws of their vise when changing hook sizes. One would think, if really so important, the feature would see use?
Cheers,
Hans W
Hans,
I have viewed yourself and others tying with a LAW. I have not seen any tying in the rotary fashion. Please bear in mind that when I mentioned the adjustment feature, it relates to tying utilizing the rotary feature of the vise. That is, holding the material and applying the material by turning the vise head.
In tying with this method, having the hook shank maintain a static location while the vise head rotates is very important.
No one "needs" to tie in the rotary method. However, for those who do, most premium vise makers have an adjustment so that regardless of the hook size, the hook shank does not move up and down in the process of tying rotary.
Hi Hans,
"Here is a simple fact - in 30 years of tying at international shows, with the most experienced of tiers - I have never ever seen any of my fellow tiers re-align the jaws of their vise when changing hook sizes".
The only vise that I know of that allows for non-adjustment is the Regal. I must be misunderstanding what you mean. Maybe the word 'RE-ALIGN"? I know that I don't have to do anything on my Renzetti to go to the rotating function other then place a 1/2 hitch (or not) and swing the thread over the bobbin rest. So I have no idea what Byron is talking about insofar as an adjustment.
Cheers,
Allan
Allan,
If you watch this video, I think you will understand...........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShM9JVcLpIE
Think I'll pass on viewing a video.
The video will explain what you don't understand at this time.
Byron, do you mean that that video explains life, the universe and everything?
Enuf!
Need I say more?
Denny
"ENUF!"
I absolutely agree. Lets get back to the REAL stuff that keeps this place so lively and buzzin. Back to " what's the best underwear for flyfishing?". Now THAT will draw a crowd into a frenzied discussion and raise participation/membership by at least NONE.
You see, my observation rests in, I remember when..............................
Mark
It was a balmy day here in north Georgia so I worn my U.S. Army issued wool blend long john under my wranglers and waders to wade the Hooch this afternoon. They were quite adequate for the conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
U ncle,
This thread is going in a completely different direction but I'd like to respond, and a serious one at that, to your choice of under-the-wader clothing. Don't you find that typically the heavy seam of Wranglers and other jeans (to my wife's chagrin I still call them dungarees) digs into your ankle and lower leg when the water pressure pushes against the wader? Just food for thought.
Allan
Perhaps I aimed a bit high.....................
Mark
Marco you Old Dog!! long time, no hear!! How in the heck are you??Quote:
Originally Posted by Marco
Brad
Brad,
I am well. Thanks for asking. Just keeeping a lower profile herein except for a jab ( as currently OBVIOUSLY missed) or two now and then. And at the moment twiddling my thumbs waiting for the Chi Bears game to restart after a weather delay of hopefully only about 2 1/2 hours.
Stay well.
Mark
Allan, you sound a little like a ole swabbie calling them dungarees, but the seam has never been a problem. Typically I will take the bottom of the leg and wrapped it around my leg and secure it with an elastic piece or the top of my wool socks, which are also very heavy and may provide cushioning to protectQuote:
Originally Posted by Allan
Marco, you ask a question about underwear and you get a response about underwear, what did you expect? It's underwear, not rocket science.