Help Joan Wulff achive this!

Edited for better understanding and clarification after further conversations with petitioner.

Joan Wulff, the First Lady of Fly Fishing, if you appreciate what she has done for the sport of fly fishing...I hope you will take less than a minute of time to say that it's time she be recognized and welcomed among her peers.

Joan has wished over the years that her peers at the Angling Club of New York...the most prestigious angling club in North America, would recognize her as an equal, and ask her into the membership as an honorary member. There is no question that Joan is qualified and deserving of it. The problem is she's a woman. If you believe it's time to recognize her as an equal in the sport of fly fishing among her male peers... You can help complete her bucket list. PLEASE sign the petition below.




https://www.change.org/petitions/sport-angling-community-sign-if-joan-is-good-enough-to-be-a-member-of-anglers-club-of-ny?utm_campaign=friend_inviter_modal&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=7419849



Look for updated petition shortly.

DONE!!!!! Wish I could do more

Every fly angler could learn something from the great Joan Wulff including the members of the Angling Club of New York.

Just how will not being a member diminish her accomplishments, I don't think it will. Nor would I wish to be part of an organization that did not wish my participation. Who is trying to prove what here, I'm sure the ACNY has heard of Ms Wulff and will decide for themselves.

grrfish1... Beautiful!! (NOT) Your response and attitude are the perfect example of the problem. Just tell us why she doesn't deserve a spot in the the club along with her male peers.

Hopefully it spurs others into participating.

It has nothing to do with what YOU think...it's what SHE thinks, and it's HER wish.

She's now 88 years old, and this has been at the top of her bucket list for a very long time. It simply time she was recognized as an equal in the sport of Fly Fishing.

Mato. I signed and I totally agree. Thanks for the heads up.

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Originally Posted by Mato Kuwapi

grrfish1... Beautiful!! (NOT) Your response and attitude are the perfect example of the problem. Just tell us why she doesn't deserve a spot in the the club along with her male peers.

Hopefully it spurs others into participating.

It has nothing to do with what YOU think...it's what SHE thinks, and it's HER wish.

She's now 88 years old, and this has been at the top of her bucket list for a very long time. It simply time she was recognized as an equal in the sport of Fly Fishing.

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First there is no honor in coercion, and thus no satisfaction in acceptance. If one cannot accept rejection with grace it not the they who is truly diminished, but rather the one. I would not wish to believe Ms. Wullf is actively spearheading this devise, but could be convinced much to my disappointment should that be the case. It would be an unworthy effort to undertake the assumption of Ms. Wullfs loss of stature in the fly fishing chronicle as a legend by her own accomplishments. Should she not succeed in besting the ramparts of the only notable all male bastion of fly fishing, her place will remain secure.

I can find no evidence that either of these statements are true. Enlighten me, please. I certainly don't understand why someone of Joan Wulff's style and grace would find such a membership desirable, much less prestigious.

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Joan want's very much to become a member of the Angling Club of New York...the most prestigious angling club in North America.

Who is Kathryn Maroun and why is Change.org involved?

The most modern day example: If Tiger Woods, avoided going head to head with unjust segregation and bowed to your way of thinking, he would have never played in the Masters... It's the same thing...
It's about segregation in a sport where women are truly equals with men. It's time to fix that.

Kathryn Maroun Google is a wonderful tool!


Change.org is simply being used as an online petition site. I know that the petitioner has No other political purpose or agenda intended, other than the purpose stated. I'm sure a sight with a more acceptable right wing branding can be added to alleviate any distrust or paranoia, but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't support this petition anyway.

wow

I should say that I am shocked by some of the responses to this request...but I've hung around long enough here to say I'm not shocked...just deeply saddened.

Being one's equal does not mean being the same. Since you bring up Tiger Woods, you no doubt are aware that women are not permitted to be members of Augusta Golf Course. Since when is a private club not allowed to choose its membership? How about all the 'women only' clubs, activities, teams, etc. There are women who simply seek to invade male enclaves for no other reason then they want to prove something. So who's really behind this push on behalf of Ms Wulff? Some woman's group perhaps? If this is actually something Ms Wulff desires then where is some statement by her to that effect over the course of the last, say 25 years? She's probably had 000s of opportunities to let her feelings about this be known. Before you jump on some soap box about my comment you should know that Lee Wulff was my fly fishing idol. I've met Ms Wulff on several occassions and she is a fantastic person. No American fly fishing woman, no make that very few American fly fishers, have had the influence on American fly fishing as she has had. She is every bit as good, if not better as a fly fisher and fly caster as any man. She would be in the top 5(my arbitrary #) in a list of the best, most influential American fly casters/fly fishers ever. However, she would not be on the list if it specified 'male'.
Joan Wulff does not need admission into that club to make her mark. She's done that 000s of times over.
"Joan want's very much to become a member of the Angling Club of New York". Really? On what do you base this and why can't a private club establish its own criteria for membership?

Allan

Hang in there Mato. Wear your heart on your sleeve and keep your values. The journey is the reward. Have a smooth day and tight lines. Michael J.

It's my understanding that Joan has not, is not and will not pursue a membership with the ACNY. She did express a wish to have had the honor of being asked...just as her male counterparts were.

After some very recent discussion with the persons involved in this petition, I now have more clearity into what's going on. Hopefully you'll understand. It started off with good intent, just jumping the gun a little to quickly. It was a well meaning attempt at filling a wish from one friend to another. Joan, now 88 years old, had expressed a long time wish to be asked and accepted as an equal among her peers. You might say its been on her bucket list for quite some time. This individual (Kathryn), was just hoping to see a wish fullfilled for a friend and very deserving person.

The petition will be reworded to reflect this.

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Originally Posted by Mato Kuwapi

It's my understanding that Joan has not, is not and will not pursue a membership with the ACNY. She did express a wish to have had the honor of being asked...just as her male counterparts were.

After some very recent discussion with the persons involved in this petition, I now have more clearity into what's going on. Hopefully you'll understand. It started off with good intent, just jumping the gun a little to quickly. It was a well meaning attempt at filling a wish from one friend to another. Joan, now 88 years old, had expressed a long time wish to be asked and accepted as an equal among her peers. You might say its been on her bucket list for quite some time. This individual (Kathryn), was just hoping to see a wish fullfilled for a friend and very deserving person.

The petition will be reworded to reflect this.

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In other words, the petition as written, was meant to eliminate the exclusivity of the private organization. 'Well meaning attempt'! Where have we heard something similar to that phrase? Oh yes, 'The road to he.. ..........................'.
"Joan, now 88 years old, had expressed a long time wish to be asked and accepted as an equal among her peers." - Allow me to reiterate: Joan Wulff is beyond being only accepted by her peers, she is revered by them and by the great majority of fly fishers/fly casters, most of whom have never even heard of the ACNY and could give a rat's a** about it as an organization. And, as I wrote in previous post, she is perhaps 1 of the top 5 greatest fly fishers/fly casters, regardless of gender, in the US ever!
By the way, try this: Ask a few fly fishers you know - Who's the greatest Amercian female fly fisher/fly caster ever? See who they cite. Now ask the same people what the ACNY is and to name 5 members? Bet they can't.

Allan

If Kathryn if the same person who was 'involved' with Stan Bodgen a while back, me thinks she might be better served by just doing her television program and not stirring the pot(s).

"UPDATE:
I just spoke with Joan and she said that the subject makes her uneasy and she has asked that we not stir the pot.
We will respect her wishes." - What a Catch.net

oh just blame the whole mess on George W. Bush and move on.

Why didn't you have a "discussion" with the people involved before posting this? Anything in bed with Change.org is usually a load of crap anyway.....

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Originally Posted by Mato Kuwapi

It's my understanding that Joan has not, is not and will not pursue a membership with the ACNY. She did express a wish to have had the honor of being asked...just as her male counterparts were.

After some very recent discussion with the persons involved in this petition, I now have more clearity into what's going on. Hopefully you'll understand. It started off with good intent, just jumping the gun a little to quickly. It was a well meaning attempt at filling a wish from one friend to another. Joan, now 88 years old, had expressed a long time wish to be asked and accepted as an equal among her peers. You might say its been on her bucket list for quite some time. This individual (Kathryn), was just hoping to see a wish fullfilled for a friend and very deserving person.

The petition will be reworded to reflect this.

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Being relatively new to this hobby,Joan Wulff has been an inspiration to me.Not because of gender but who she is as a human being and that is why i'll always be in awe of her accomplishments.I am sure I have jumped the gun in my life just trying to help someone.

On the petition web page is this note:

#Day 2-over a hundred signatures but Joan is feeling uneasy with the subject and has asked us to stop.

For this reason alone I chose not to sigh the petition.

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Originally Posted by Mato Kuwapi

The most modern day example: If Tiger Woods, avoided going head to head with unjust segregation and bowed to your way of thinking, he would have never played in the Masters... It's the same thing...

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Uhmmm, say what?

I put it to bed as soon as I could, so best leave sleeping dogs lie, as they say. For a site the preaches "NO politics" ...there seems to be a lot that slips through.


It's dead... at least as far as I'm concerned. Just one of those once bitten, twice shy things for me. I've got better things to do.

Its only "politics" if we disagree, right?

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Originally Posted by Mato Kuwapi

I put it to bed as soon as I could, so best leave sleeping dogs lie, as they say. For a site the preaches "NO politics" ...there seems to be a lot that slips through.


It's dead... at least as far as I'm concerned. Just one of those once bitten, twice shy things for me. I've got better things to do.

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I'm not sure where or how 'politics' entered into this but would someone lock this thread.

Allan