Ruffed grouse feathers?

What can I tie using them? I have 2 large cans full of them ( minus the tails...thats what the hunters want to display) and dont have the foggiest what to tie with them. I mostyl fish dry flies......

soft hackles, march brown spinners and duns, hopper wings (like flat over the body).

Anything you can think of. I had a fly all ready for ya, but then I read the "minus the tails"...

The Breadcrust. A great caddis emerger.
http://www.charliesflyboxinc.com/fly...fm?parentID=86

My bad. MINUS TAILS!

Hi Sully,

Like DG, I had a fly immediately in mind and then read "minus the tails." The breadcrust is a good fly, but is tied from the tail feathers. That is the fly I first had in mind, and would guess it is also what DG was also thinking of.

That said, I have also used them for soft hackles, and for legs, etc. on nymphs. The problem with them for drys is that they are not stiff, but are soft and webby, thus ideal for soft hackles and nymphs, but virtually unsuitable for drys.

A problem with some of the feathers is a rather large stem, except close to the tip. This can be overcome and has been discussed in the past, but getting in to that could hijack the thread. I have personally not used grouse feathers for hopper wings or for caddis wings, but have used similar feahters, and the suggestion above is a good one. Such feathers can be treated with fleximent and used for such.

Regards,

Gandolf

OK fellas.. I can tie up some soft hackles with them. I dont want to just toss them.

Grouse hunters here want the tails for display...so the rest "goes to waste". I will need hoppers too...so there's another use of them.

Thanks

Sully,

Ruffed grouse, also know as "Partidge". Just a thought

Mike :D

I did these with ruffed grouse-sorry, but some use the tail.

Hope they give you some inspiration.

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/wat....php?file=2612
http://www.myfishingpictures.com/wat....php?file=2610

I use the body feathers for fins on muddler minnows.

They make great sides (cheeks) on streamers.

I use them for wings on scotch tape caddis, lots of good soft hackle there.

Just on a side note though grouse and partridge are two different critters.

Steve

I will add to the chorus....soft hackles! And they are great for nymph legs as well.

http://www.myfishingpictures.com/wat...le=2612&size=1

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Use them for legs on nymphs.

John

Try a Tabou Caddis Emerger if you have philoplumes.

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Originally Posted by MikelC

Sully,

Ruffed grouse, also know as "Partidge". Just a thought

Mike :D

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You beat me to it Mike. If I remember correctly, isn't it that East coasters call Grouse Partridge, but west coasters distinguish the difference between Hungarian Partridge and Ruffled Grouse. One of the differences for Fly Tyers is that Grouse tend to more brown and Hun are gray. At least from what I've seen.

I'd hang on to them Sully, any pattern that calls for partridge, grouse can most likely be substituted if the color difference isn't that important.

They're absolutely worthless. Send half of them to me, and throw the other half away! *G*
The mottled feathers should make fantastic collars for wets and nymphs.

Do a little experiment next time you want to tie a nymph... Look up the "Trout Chow" fly and sub in that grouse for partridge.

In Nova Scotia, and Northern Ontario, partridge is the common name used for ruffed-grouse and sprucehens. You aren't supposed to shoot a sprucehen (they are dumber than a bag of rocks while a ruffed grouse is only as dumb as a stick :) ), but they can be hard to tell apart. People know the "correct" terms, but just call 'em partridge. Anyway, they would make great soft hackles and could be used anywhere "true partidge" is used also.

By the way, ruffed grouse stuffed with brown and wild rice, with butter pats in the rice and on the outside, with 3 or 4 strips of streaky baccon wrapped around the bird and sprinkled with some thyme and summer savory, salt and pepper, then wrapped in foil and backed in the oven makes a very very tasty supper! Mmmmmm.

- Jeff

Funny thing about names... In Southern NY my father grew up with ruffed grouse as "pa't-ridges" knowing full well they were grouse. The red grouse of Europe, and supplier of the official plumage for any "Grouse and ----" pattern, is what we call willow ptarmigan in Alaska. The red grouse does not turn white in winter, (like blue fox and arctic fox) but is the same species.

Alaska small game regulations do not differentiate between sharp-tailed grouse, ruffed, blue, and spruce grouse; nor willow, rock, or whitetailed ptarmigan; but do between "grouse" and "ptarmigan". Well, actually that is not exactly correct either, as the limit is much lower or the relatively less common ruffed grouse and blues, though they are included in the grouse limit.

Any bird hunter thinking he is not living in the good old days needs to look at our daily bag limits for birds... Most will find it shocking.
art

Fiorgot to mention the chukar, which is also called partridge in many places...

For me, grouse is a common term for any chicken-like bird including all partridges, ptarmigan, and grouse unless it is qualified as part of a specific name. But then all of them can be called pheasants, including turkeys and peafowl, but not quail.

Quail have their own neater little family name within the order which relates to their teeth...

Hen quail have teeth... roosters too, but nobody ever thinks of them as rare...
art

Partridge is used as a very general term across the country, dictated by most by regional norms. Hungarian partridge has a desired light dun speckled feather that is perfect for wets and nymph legs. Ruffed grouse in my opinion are darker and a little more "webby" than their hungarian cousins. Both have excellent uses. I like ruffed grouse along with hen pheasaant hackle for hackle tip wings on thorax patterns. Where I use hungarian partridge primarily for nymphs and wet flies.

Here's an example of another way to use your gamebird hackle.

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