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how to handle rude guide
I got the chance on Saturday to sneak up to trout fish for the morning while my wife went shopping. The streams were very crowded but I was making the best of it. I had just gotten into a nice pool with about six or seven rainbows. When a guide came out of nowhere and started pushing his client into the pool I was in (just for info sake I fish in small streams near Ashville, NC). I gave them a look and the guide said something like you do not own this hole and began casting showing the client what to do. The client really looked like he did not know what he was doing and I do not blame him one bit for what was about to happen. Well the client who was about thirty feet behind me got off a good cast and the fly hooked the back of my vest. Well he just about jerked me down he pulled so hard. The guide started yelling at me saying that if I would just get out of their way this would not have happened. Well I waded over to shore and did not say a word grabbed a handfull of rocks and thre them into the pool and watch all the nice fat rainbows run out of the pool. I just smiled and waved as I walked away. My day was done I was so mad. On the ride home I really felt sorry for the client because this is what he thinks fly-fishing is. I know I did not handle the event the best. I also know that I deserve that beacause I was fishing on the holiday weekend and knew that all the idiots were out and every once a year trout fishermen would be out. How would everyone have handled this?
Thanks
Jason
my signiture does not work for holiday weekends :?
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I have considered offering a 'small packet of gravel' for just such emergencies to those signing up for Friends of FAOL. Think I still might. :D :D :D :D :D :D
Problem? What problem?,,,
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Hey there Jason.
Well that just shows there are fools and knotheads out there. We gotta deal with'em, but we should never join 'em and be one. Hard as that is. I can't guarantee what I'd do in that spot, but I would cut the fellas leader, and get the fly outa my vest later. I would splach and stomp my way back to shore. I would walk away most likely, and give the "guide" a scowly look and shake my head. Then I'd probably walk off a ways , probably down to the next likely spot, sit down on a rock, breath in God's clean air, and cool off.
Then I'd probably tie on my new fly and start swingin' my flystick.............No use lettin a plain ol' idjit ruin my day fishin'..................................ModocDan
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I have had a similar experience. Once the "guide" had wandered into the pool assuring that neither I nor his client would catch any fish, I packed up and started to leave. As I left the pool I turned to the client and said, "When your guide finishes teaching you how to cast, ask him about fishing etiquette. Although something tells me he doesn't know what I'm talking about." The client then apologized in a very kind manner. My reply was,"Maybe you need to give him a lesson."
My favorite response as I'm leaving is to say to the client,"Maybe you should find a guide that knows what he's doing, instead of one that has to steal spots from a rank amateur." That one usually gets a good sputter from the guide.
I fish for the love of it and usually just leave rather than ruin the karma of the day. It can be so hard to do. I know I'm just there for fun and the guide is there to make money, but these are public waters. It just doesn't cost much to be polite.
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Jason it happened to me and I responded pretty much the same way you did except I added a few choice words directed at the guide. I was steelhead fishing a local stream a few years back when a guide and his clients put their drift boat out in front of me like I wasn't there and started fishing right in front of me. I picked up several large rocks and threw them into the hole. This so called guide proceeded to start swearing at me until I told him that the next rock was due to come his way.
Rocky
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Jason, and others,
This has never happened to me, at least not exactly. First I'm sorry, but, I think I would have handled it the exact same way as you did Jason. And raw, thanks for the tip about the guide knowing what he is doing.....I'll keep that in mind, if I ever have a need to use it!
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I've never had it with a guide but I have had it happen with other fishermen and hunters. Typically, I just walk away and forget about it. No need to let someone else ruin my day. My free time is far too precious to allow a jerk to take a single moment of it away from me.
Once, I did find a deer hunter sitting in my tree stand and the guy got prettty "mouthy" with me when challenged. He was in a stand with a loaded gun, I wasn't about to stand there and argue with him. I did, however, walk about 50 yards down the deer trail around a bend from where he was sitting and urinated in the middle of the deer trail. I knew the area and any deer heading his way would have walked right past the spot I "marked". His hunt was over before it began. (and yes, I did manage a deer that year on my alternate stand)
That's the only time I've ever done anything like that. I just don't like to mess up my own day.
Jeff
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Having guided myself in the past, the best thing you can do to "get back at em" is to make sure the client knows his guide is a rude A##HOLE. Clients do not usually tip A&&HOLES. Hit the guide where it hurts most, the pocket book! My old boss used to tell me that even if i am in the right, if the client thinks i am an A##HOLE, i wont get tipped, and i should move on and find a more peacefull location. No client likes to pay to be in a hostile environment. No client likes to pay to watch his guide get in a fight over a fishing hole. Most people avoid confrontational situations, let alone pay to have someone else get them into one.
I think you did the right thing. Rest assured that the guides client, whom the guide put into a situation to hook you with a fly, will not likely ever go out with that guide again.
Have fun, Jeff
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Jason;
Ya done good....the reason we have ignorant SOB's in this, and other sports, and all endeavors for that matter, is that we "excuse" their behavior. This then gives them a pass to hone their ignorance and become even more obnoxious.
The only mistake I see you made was cut the line at the tippett; should have gone up about 3 feet on the line...see if this "guide" knows how to spool new line!
Keep up the good work. Jim
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That guide and client both owed you an apology. Short that I may have done the same thing but not after returning his rudenes and careless behaviour. I wouldn't be looking for a fight but unless it was private water that he owned personally, then you have the stream rights as a matter of courtesy. I'd ask for his company name, his name, etc... of him or his client and go from there. I'm not generally confrontational but it sounds like you got the last laugh.
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Jason ~ how about posting that on the "Southeast Fly Fishing Fourm". There are some guides that post there and I'd bet they would like to hear about this, too.
http://www.southeastflyfishingforum.com/forum/
(wondering if maybe THAT guide posts there and needs to hear about it, too!)
For sure, rude stream etiquette is hard to deal with someone who doesn't even know any better much less a supposedly professional guide.
Dale
p.s. I like that idea of throwing rocks into the stream upon leaving!
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You should have found out if he guides for a shop or outfitter and reported him to the boss. The boss usually doesn't need that kind of publicity for his business ~~ rest assured it would have been taken care of.
My only experiences with guides have been extremely positive. Even the outing when we didn't catch that many fish ~~ it was a wonderful day on the water.
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Jason,
You handled the situation just fine! Find out who the Guide is and REPORT him to whoever, everyone you know and everyone you don't know! It sounds like maybe he freelance Guides?
Doug
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I wouldn't have handled it that way. But, I would have wished I had. I think you done just fine.
KUDOS to you.
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I have had a similar experience. Once the "guide" had wandered into the pool assuring that neither I nor his client would catch any fish, I packed up and started to leave. As I left the pool I turned to the client and said, "When your guide finishes teaching you how to cast, ask him about fishing etiquette. Although something tells me he doesn't know what I'm talking about." The client then apologized in a very kind manner. My reply was,"Maybe you need to give him a lesson."
My favorite response as I'm leaving is to say to the client,"Maybe you should find a guide that knows what he's doing, instead of one that has to steal spots from a rank amateur." That one usually gets a good sputter from the guide.
I fish for the love of it and usually just leave rather than ruin the karma of the day. It can be so hard to do. I know I'm just there for fun and the guide is there to make money, but these are public waters. It just doesn't cost much to be polite.
rwa69,
Sounds like I could put a name on the guide that you are speaking about. Especially if he guides on the Grand and lives out east. I believe he also part of the "chest thumper" "high numbers" crowd from that other site moderated by the blind guy. LMAO
Here in Ohio we have a whole new breed of pseudo guide, who focus on steelhead fishing with centerpin outfits. They get drifts that can conservatively float for over 100' downstream, and it only takes 2 or 3 of these yahoos to cover the length of a football field, thus removing fishing opportunities for fly flingers or anyone else in the area. My favorite trick is to cast a #6 weighted wooly bugger over their line, and then let them tell me I'm fishing in their spot (50-75' away from where they are standing). Well, I apologize all over myself as I'm reeling in their line with 27 split shots, three flies and a $5 fancy float all tangled up in my leader and bugger. I feel so bad when that happens. Yeah, right.
I hate it when my evil side comes out.
Joe
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Back when I was younger I used to cast right at the SOB. Nothing will shake up a A-hole more than a fly zipping around his face. They usually left soon and actually sometimes apologize. Bullish people usally do not like confrontation. Any more I just plod down to where they are and strike up a conversation with them and try to kill by kindness. If they are complete a-holes I just start casting right next to them on there casting arm side and say maybe we should fish together more often.:shock:
Jim
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HAHAHAHAHA!!! Jim, your last sentence is PERFECT! Gonna have to keep that one, in my hat for the upcoming Steelhead season here on the coast!
Paul
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I have not had many events, but one time, while casting from shallow surf for salmon, I did get ticked off and remember saying something to the effect that, "I'm kinda new at this, I will try to be careful". With that my accuracy went to heck and I guess I did come a bit close. Since they had moved in in front of me, they decided to move to a place not in front of me. Mostly, I have to admit, if something does occur, I do not do anything about it. Have wished later that I had though.
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It's a rare event that anyone even atempt's to crowd me while on stream...But if anything even remotely resembeling what you've discribed happen's to me in the future....All I gotta say is you behaved much more gentlemanly than I will...ALL Knepp's have one trait that is just plain undenyable....and that's a temper that when pushed...does not kool off to quickly...Quite thankfully over the years, I've mellowed considerably...But not nearly enough to have stopped me from spooling that dude and cutting him off at the BACKING!
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Developing a really bad, hacking cough when so troubled will sometimes lead offenders to avoid you. (Fake difficulty drawing breath, hunch over, make your whole torso rack with the cough, etc... Act tubercular.) They don't seem to want to get whatever it is that you have. Pity, sometimes it's just wit. :)
Ed
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Developing a really bad, hacking cough when so troubled will sometimes lead offenders to avoid you. (Fake difficulty drawing breath, hunch over, make your whole torso rack with the cough, etc... Act tubercular.) They don't seem to want to get whatever it is that you have. Pity, sometimes it's just wit. :)
Ed
Ed,
You have a uniquely demented, and sometimes evil, sense of humor. I'm envious!
Joe
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Originally Posted by EdD
Developing a really bad, hacking cough when so troubled will sometimes lead offenders to avoid you. (Fake difficulty drawing breath, hunch over, make your whole torso rack with the cough, etc... Act tubercular.) They don't seem to want to get whatever it is that you have. Pity, sometimes it's just wit. :)
Ed
Ed,
You have a uniquely demented, and sometimes evil, sense of humor. I'm envious!
Joe
Joe, coming from you, I am deeply flattered! Thanks.
Ed
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Bummer to hear about that Jason and I think you handled the situation nicely. During Salmon & Steelhead season it gets out of control around here so ugly antics and run ins are all to frequent. I really have a hard time behaving when faced with situations like you described so I try and avoid the water altogether at peak times as it's just too hard to bite my tongue. I have blatently come out and suggested that the customer hired the village idiot which rarely goes over well. I have also resorted to bombing the pool with a few pebbles too. I have a buddy who had 2 very ugly run ins with the same guide in a 3 day span where the guide crossed through the center of a pool with clients in order to spook the fish to the next pool down where his buddies were staked out. We left that spot and my buddy said he forgot a fly box at the car. Come to find out that when we left, my buddy had pulled the jack from his car and taken BOTH driver side tires off the guides truck and placed them in the bed of said guides pick up truck. Laughed my butt off upon seeing that (and quickly left the area). I can only imagine the scene when the guide and his clients returned : ) There are however far too many nuts out there so confrentation are not wise and you just never know what some are capable of.
My wife was so proud of me this Oct. while fishing a very remote river on the west coast of Vancouver Island. We had the river to ourselves when one lone "angler" came walking down the bank and upon seeing us pounding on the fresh Chum and Coho and seeing all the fish in front of us literally walked right out into the river going around and then in front of us. I was stunned and I know my wife was thinking, "Oh crap, this is going to get ugly." I reeled up and told her we were leaving. She didn't say anything until later that evening that she was amazed I said nothing. Granted it was not as fun as it might have been making some wise cracks but it's a lot safer : )
Revenge is sweet BUT a knife or gun shot wound leaves a bitter after taste . . .
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Doc, you beat me to it :(
I would have befriended the guide and found out what he was driving. The rest, I'll leave to your imagination. That way I could continue to fish with a smile on my face.
Of course, that would not have been the remedy taken in my younger days. Rocks may hurt the fish and we don't want that to happen :lol:
Seriously, it is regretable that we have to share our streams with experts like that. It will catch up with them sooner or later.
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I had an incident once when some kids began swimming in a hole where I was fishing. I had a couple of nice whitefish on a stringer that I was taking home to smoke, so I pulled them out, cleaned them, and let the guts float into their swimming area........It still makes me smile!
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I like the idea of talking directly to the other fisherman. Assuming he's a newby and unaware, explain to him that this is not standard etiquette and his guide is either ignorant or lazy. Give him your number and tell him you'll take him out for free, show him more fish and teach him the proper etiquettte as well. That will hit the guide right where it hurts... in his pocket.
jed
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You should have found out if he guides for a shop or outfitter and reported him to the boss. The boss usually doesn't need that kind of publicity for his business ~~ rest assured it would have been taken care of.
My only experiences with guides have been extremely positive. Even the outing when we didn't catch that many fish ~~ it was a wonderful day on the water.
Not only that you can also report him to the fish and game!!
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In My younger days ( Dumb like ox , strong like Bull ) I use to get quite aggressive with these types of idiots.
A bush pilot buddy of mine and I were on a long sandy beach fishing for pink salmon. In the 1960's the nearest police or conservation officers were 3 days away via bush plane. So we were pretty remote. There was a logging camp on an Island nearby. As far as you could see in either direction there were pink salmon in huge schools . You could easily catch the daily limit in under an hour. We were fly fishing with #8 pink things catching and releasing everyghing.
This Idiot wearing chest waders landed on the beach with a 12 foot boat near where we were fishing. Obviously he was one of the loggers. He got out of the boat without even saying Hello walked over beside us and began to wade out into the ocean. We explained that the fish were only 30 feet out and could easily be fished without wading, but if he waded out the school would just move out farther so it makes no sense to wade. He made some comment about our doubtful ancestry swore at us, said you can't hog all the fish, then continued to wade way out directly in front of us .
We could see he was a colossal jerk so We just moved up the beach 100 yards or so trying to ignore him.
Using a heavy mooching rod and a large bare triple hook. He proceeded to snag and retain at least 15 pinks even tho my friend finally got mad and yelled at him to stop saying that it was illegal to snag fish and the limit was 6 pinks. The guy swearing profusely, yelled back at us "Just what do you think you can do about it." As I was debating whether two of us could take on an angry logger,
My buddy walked slowly over to the truck. He got out a shotgun walked calmly over to guys pile of fish, fired two 12 gauge rounds into the pile of fish, turned to the guy and said
"The limit is 6 , snagging is illegal this gun has a three shot clip and don't you ever let me catch you fishing near me again. That's what I'm going to do about it. "
We never saw him again.
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Never had that happen to me with a guide, but have heard of it happening. Always thought it was foolish on their part, someone that's on the water daily and probably has a good feel for what's happing at any given time.
Seeing as how he thinks it's just fine to jump someone I would let everyone know he does. If you want to find fish just find Moron the Guide and cozy on up, he's OK with it. Does it all the time. If he's employed by an outfitter call them and tell them what you plan to do and ask how they feel about it. Do all their guides feel the same way.
Got a board the locals read?
Peter
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As a guide I am always appalled when I hear of these situations. As far as how you handled it, you did good, real good. As others have said, you should have made an attempt to find out who this idiot works for. If needed, play nice and say you have some friends that want to learn to fly fish and get his name and card. Then, ignore him and go to the client and clearly explain how the guide is totally out of line. Just make sure the guide hears you telling the client this.
I can assure you that if any guide in my area did this and the outfitter found out about it, that guide would be history. One part of fly fishing that has been pushed way back into obscurity as far as new people to the sport goes is etiqitte. All of us who introduce new fishermen to fly fishing need to make sure that we place a proper emphasis on etiqitte. Those of us who guide have an even greater burden to act properly, whether we are with clients or not.
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It is nice to know that most of us fly fisherman practice etiquette and are always thinking about it out on the waters. I had an experience on the Yellowstone right in the park. Regardless of the guide outfitter, I was having a nice time all to myself one early morning when a guide comes in with 3 clients. I was catching fish for 15 minutes before they came and I wasn't wading. I was catching fish right next to the shore. As they proceeded to walk 15 feet in front of me, right where I had been fishing, the guide makes a joke to his client and says, "look at this guy, he's got those expensive breathable waders and he isn't even using it." I told him as a guide, you should know that sometimes the fish are right next to the shore and you don't have to make a 100ft cast to catch fish. I continued to ask, "don't you practice etiquette around here because isn't it common sense not to walk right in front of a fellow fisherman? One of his clients said, "I knew we should've walked behind him, I thought it wasn't right to walk right in front." The guide continues to say that the tourist doesn't know what he is doing and walks down stream a little ways. I stopped to go somewhere else because they were a little too close for me still but I was observing them before l left. He was telling his clients to kick the rocks up in the stream to get the bugs rolling down. He said we need to chum them up a bit. I thought to myself, you got to be kidding me.
Another time I was catching fish in my home river when a man pulls up with a younger gentleman and stops to watch. They ask me how the fishing was and I said I just caught a couple right here and they told me that they had a tough day of fishing, battling the wind etc. They see me catch two more fish. After talking to the two, it seemed like to me that the older gentleman was taking out a novice and wanted him to catch some fish and have a good time. Well they just started casting right in the same hole where I was catching fish. At first I thought, that is't right, but then I thought I should have some etiquette and "let" them have the hole. I stopped fishing and gave them a few flies also. They caught 3 nice fish and I felt pretty good about the whole situation.
I think the majority of us flyfishers are really nice people and do practice proper etiquette and I agree with many of you who posted. Let's continue to strive to not let rude people ruin our days regardless if we are on or off the waters. Life is hard enough as it is. Have a safe, Merry Xmas everyone. Peace
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The really sad thing about that is that the poor client is probably a newbie and taking his cues (lessons) from this dork who calls himself a guide. Unfortunately the guide probably just trained him to be another idiot on the river, and he won't know any better unless someone tells him.
If I knew the name of the guide (in Southwest Ontario, I know ALL of them)... I would probably post his name and the shop he works from, or if I knew he worked out of a shop (as many do around here) I would be contacting the store owner and giving him an ear full. I know this tactic works, from experience. :wink:
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Bugboy, I would be interested in knowing who that guide was. Did this happen in the past few years? No need to answer here if you know, IM me. The bottom line is that guide does not deserve to be guiding anywhere, much less in the Park. It was bad enough that he walked his clients in front of you. It was going way over the top when he openly insulted you to his clients. I would venture a guess as to who it was based on other situations.
A buddy had a "guide" place his husband and wife team in the same pool as him on the Boulder a few years ago when there was not another fisherman in sight. To keep it short, after an hour with no fish by the clients while my buddy caught more than a few the wife finally asked him what he was using while the guide was with the husband out of earshot. Well, my friend's revenge was to get the wife into some fish right in front of the guide. When the husband came down he asked what fly to use. My friend tied on a fly, told him where to cast and he caught a fish in a few casts.
As he left my friend explained etiquette to the clients right in front of the guide and they appologized and said that they would have a long talk with the outfitter.
To me, anyone acting like this is very wrong. When a guide acts like this it is way over the line and that guide should loose his license.
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I have hired a Guide many times and not once have I ever had one exhibit rude behavior. One word that sums it up is "Patience". If a Guide doesn't have patience, then he or she is is not professional. I look back on how I judged each Guide trip and if there would have been any bad behavior, then the trip would have been a disaster. I would have been embarrassed and angry. Was I lucky? Maybe it is because of my standards or how I talked to the Guides I hired, I don't know. Because of past posts about the Guide profession and what it takes to be a Guide, I have a greater respect of the commitment it takes to do the job.
Doug
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The really sad thing about that is that the poor client is probably a newbie and taking his cues (lessons) from this dork who calls himself a guide. Unfortunately the guide probably just trained him to be another idiot on the river, and he won't know any better unless someone tells him.
If I knew the name of the guide (in Southwest Ontario, I know ALL of them)... I would probably post his name and the shop he works from, or if I knew he worked out of a shop (as many do around here) I would be contacting the store owner and giving him an ear full. I know this tactic works, from experience. :wink:
That is exactly what the problem is, if you all that have problems with guides acted really nice to one of the clients, said "wow your guide sure is great, what is his name and what shop does he work out of"
and then posted it to a board like this, and EVERY PERSON WHO THINKS WHAT THE GUIDE DID WAS OFFENSIVE called the shop AND THE DFG to complain, what do you think that would do to rudeness on the river?
But instead we are too lazy. Just lazy motherfudgers.
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I've only been fly fishing for less than a year. But I'm very glad to report that at least on my local river I've had very good luck with other fishermen on the river.
On one day I had brought a friend of mine down to the river to take him on his first fly fishing trip. We were working a large pool when another fisherman came down the trail. He walked up to us and asked
"Excuse me. If I fished the upper part of this pool would I be crowding you?"
I told him that it would be ok, and that I appreciate him asking.
"Well" he said, "If I'm too close you let me know and I'll hike up the river some more"
I'm glad that the only experience I've had with a crowded fishing site was with a gentleman who was polite and asked permission.
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i havn't had any problems with guides because im a warmwater fisher and i have yet to even see a guide, but i have run into numerous situations with rude fisherman. now ive only been flyfishing for about 2 years now, but ive been fishing with a spinning rod for around 9-10 years. so ive gotten pretty decent at finding and catching fish. but the people who are rude, generally seem to not have a whole lot of experience. and it can get pretty funny when im fishing and catching a bunch of fish and some idiot comes and casts right next to my line and doesnt catch a thing while im still hauling them in. and sometimes i wont even say anything and ill just ignore them and they start getting mad at me, grumbling, and saying how im cheating :shock:
though a few times i was in michigan i was on a hot spot for big bluegill and i was near my limit and there was someone else closeby not catching a thing, and (i was having a pretty nice day) so i called them over and told them pretty much "hey theres a good spot over here and im about done, you wanna get a few of them?" and they came over and we had a nice chat and it ended all very well. and a few other times, ive helped out some small kids who werent catching a thing and it cheered them up, so that brightened up my day. so i would suggest maybe doing that every once in a while to make up for some of the really rude fisherman out there. because it could maybe make a difference. like if youve had a lot of friendly experiences with other fisherman, youre probably not going to turn into one of the rude fishers.
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Hi,
Although clearly the guide was in the wrong, one thing we all should keep in mind that proper etiquette includes that if you are fishing a pool by yourself, and another fisherman shows up who also wants to fish the pool, they should sit down and wait. What they are waiting for is for you to fish through the pool by "cast, retrieve and step" (step up or down stream, depending on the direction you are fishing the pool). Now, once you've reached the end of the pool you are then expected to turn the pool over to them, they fish through once, and back and forth it goes. You don't get to fish the pool for as long as you want unless there is nobody waiting a turn. And just because they showed up later doesn't mean they don't get a turn.
Remember, just because you were there first doesn't mean you "own" that part of the river. You just get to fish it first then share and share a like.
I know we all here know that, but it's good to go over the "obvious" at times.
Typically, though, most anglers will just walk by and leave that stretch to find their own. But they do not have to, nor is it rude of them not to.
That being said, the guide in question clearly was in the wrong because the guide should have either A) sat down and waited for the pool or B) moved on
- Jeff
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Well that experience just stinks a lot. :shock:
You should have chucked BIG rocks into the pool. :lol:
Ive had the rude guide thing happen a number of times.
Me in the water wading and then some jerk in his low draught boat blasting by so that they can get a good drift line in. Makes me just so grrrr. These guys even advertise the names of the services that they work for/own.
Any one from southern Mo knows exactly the place I refer to.
Lake Tannycomo. Most of the folks there are reallly nice folks. The local fly shop guides are very amiable too. (Carolyn is just a sweetheart and will do a good job of putting you on fish) . Most of the other "guides" seem to "lack".
One of my best "fun"days was when two other guys told me to come over to their spot 'cause I wasnt going ot catch any thing where I was . So I scooted over closer. They said "No , over here ". Pretty soon ther were three morons (me in the group) fishing in a spot the size of a bushel basket. Oh, we were crappie fishing ( before I became "Elegant") We had a blast, Those guys were a real hoot and there was no way that we had more than a foot between the tips of our rods. Etiquette reigned supreme that day.We need more guys that know how to have a good time.
Next time, throw Big rocks!!!!!
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Bugboy, I would be interested in knowing who that guide was. Did this happen in the past few years? No need to answer here if you know, IM me. The bottom line is that guide does not deserve to be guiding anywhere, much less in the Park. It was bad enough that he walked his clients in front of you. It was going way over the top when he openly insulted you to his clients. I would venture a guess as to who it was based on other situations.
Flybop,
I didn't get the guides name or outfitter. I really felt intimidated because that was my first time in the park, let alone flyfishing in the park. It kind of caught me off guard where I had to take a second look to realize what was actually happening because I WAS IN YELLOWSTONE. It would be the last place I would think this kind of thing would ever happen. Anyways, they made me feel like an "outsider" and I didn't want any possible trouble in the park. It takes a lot to get me going and when I come across rude, arrogant people, they can give it to me all they want. But when I see rude, arrogant people getting on someone else, that's when I'm assertive and feel I have to "educate" them on the situation. By the way, it was 4 years ago in July 2003. Peace.