Re: Using Power For Furling
ducksterman
I'm not sure what you are asking but I only have used power, first a cordless drill with a cup hook engaging a paperclip attached to the end of the leader - furled for ~ 2 1/2 minutes or until it shortened the original length by 10% and then reversed it for ~600 revolutions or 45 seconds ot so. I now use a corded drill as the power is more consistent throughout the furling process.
mcsteff
p.s. When you furl too much the leader breaks and you start over. Good practice. :lol:
Re: Using Power For Furling
mcsteff ,
So we are on the same page....
I believe the first step e.i. the reducing by 10% is referred to as "twisting" each leg and the reversing is the "furling".
I'm wondering what would happen if when you do the furling with power what would happen if you over did it?...would it break then or if you don't allow too much tension would it "pigtail"...or would it just unfurl to a certain degree once the tension is released?
I'm finding that the gurus on furling believe in getting as much twist and subsequently as much furling as possible...supposedly giving optimal performance. They will take the twisting process to just the point of pig tailing and then mark their board for that particular material. Each material can have a different amount it likes.
I'm playing around with some pure microbraid [spectra] leaders and find that it takes much more than 10% to get a good twist and furl.
Re: Using Power For Furling
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"...What would happen if one used power for the furling and did an excessive amount of furling?"
I've done that several times while trying to figure out the optimium amount of time to twist the lines with my cordless drill. With my jig and pattern, you hear a "snap" and end up with 83 feet of line in a compact and hopelessly twisted bird's nest, approximately 6 inches in diameter! :lol:
Re: Using Power For Furling
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Originally Posted by OldBaldGuy
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"...What would happen if one used power for the furling and did an excessive amount of furling?"
I've done that several times while trying to figure out the optimium amount of time to twist the lines with my cordless drill. With my jig and pattern, you hear a "snap" and end up with 83 feet of line in a compact and hopelessly twisted bird's nest, approximately 6 inches in diameter! :lol:
Are you sure you are not talking about the twisting process?....been there done that :(
Re: Using Power For Furling
The final furling does not determine the tightness of the furl -- the initial twisting determines the tightness of the furl. You can over-furl the final process, but it will only relax/unfurl to the tightness determined by the initial twisting (10% or so of length). So use power if you wish, but the weighted furl method works just as well.
Re: Using Power For Furling
Duckster,
Where does reverse twisting come into play???...I have Kathy Scott's DVD and all twisting is done in the same direction...then she/you take the leader off the form and hang it till it finnishes the "Furling Process" on it's own....
I even called and talked to her to be sure that I had this all straight in my mind before trying it myself...Both "Legs" are reduced in the same direction...am I just not seeing the path clearly...
Re: Using Power For Furling
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Originally Posted by ducksterman
Are you sure you are not talking about the twisting process?....been there done that :(
You're right, of course. Sorry. I misunderstood the question. I only use the cordless drill for the initial "10%" twisting, and then use the hanging weight system for the final furling.
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Originally Posted by billknepp
Duckster,
Where does reverse twisting come into play???...I have Kathy Scott's DVD and all twisting is done in the same direction...then she/you take the leader off the form and hang it till it finnishes the "Furling Process" on it's own....
I even called and talked to her to be sure that I had this all straight in my mind before trying it myself...Both "Legs" are reduced in the same direction...am I just not seeing the path clearly...
Bill,The folks that use power for both twisting and furling....twist both legs in one direction and furl in the reverse direction..... When we use the weight for the furling it automatically goes in the opposite direction as the twist.....
Re: Using Power For Furling
Ducksterman
Did you see and understand the pictures I posted on your other thread about my swivel and key ring for furling.[url][/uhttp://flyanglersonline.com/bb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15846&p=149291&hilit=#p149291r l]
Knucks
Re: Using Power For Furling
Well Duck,
How do they know for sure when to stop???..lol..as I'd think a wrong guess could have ya eat'in a wad thread..or quite the new and painful hair do!!!... :shock:
Re: Using Power For Furling
I've ALWAYS used power for both operations.
I twist both legs separtately for the same amount of time. I've found that keeping good tension on the material while twisting is important.
I then reverse the tool and twist both together in the opposite direction for 1/2 that time. Again, good tension makes things go together evenly and smoothly.
I 'hang' them, and if I've done everything correctly, they will 'spin' for only a few revolutions (the process can't be exact no matter how hard you try).
Good Luck!
Buddy
Re: Using Power For Furling
My only comment is to be careful if you are using a battery powered drill for twisting the legs. Once the batteries start to go, they go quickly, and if you only use time of twist as your guide, you can end up with two legs that have a fairly different number of twists. Depending on the amount of difference, they won't furl as well. For that reason, I prefer to use length of reduction, including amount of tension on each leg, to keep track of my twisting.
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Deeky...one of the reasons I've gone to cord powered drill..
Knuck, yes I did and thank you..for now I still like to feel the tension.
Since starting this thread I've done some experimenting and believe the answer to my question re: to "overfurling" is.... that as long as you don't have too much tension it won't break and you'll get pigtailing...I took it to the extreme and still was able to work out the pigtailing.
These were on leaders that I thought the furling was a little loose...meaning I hadn't initially maximally twisted them...and though I agree with troutgeek...I do indeed think they tightened up. :shock:
As far as Buddy's observation about exactness....I believe the folks that do what I said above are getting it about as exact as possibble....the 10% rule doesn't fit all materials.
"I'm finding that the gurus on furling believe in getting as much twist and subsequently as much furling as possible...supposedly giving optimal performance. They will take the twisting process to just the point of pig tailing and then mark their board for that particular material. Each material can have a different amount it likes."
Another observation...When twisting if you don't apply too much tension you won't get that dreaded "pop"...the pigtailing will show up....then back off to just before pigtailing and that is your optimum twist.
Just some thoughts and observations...what say you?
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