Tippet to fly knot

I have always used the improved clinched knot to attach the fly to the tippet, and have had no problems with it, until now.
It would appear that my eyesight is deteriorating and I am having an awful time in the late evening (you know, when the browns get going) changing flies. Last night, the trout were going crazy gorging themselves with caddis, I stood on the bank for over 20 minutes trying to change flies. I got so frustrated that I gave up and went home (literally almost crying). I do have a headlamp, although the time of day is not late enough to use one.
I have seen somewhere a tippet to fly knot that people tie without even looking at the fly.
Does anyone know what this knot is called and where I can find the directions/instructions to tie it?

Perhaps you are thinking of the Pitzen knot? Here is link [url=http://www.fintalk.com/fishing-knots/pitzen-knot.html:8ff50]http://www.fintalk.com/fishing-knots/pitzen-knot.html[/url:8ff50]

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Ron M

Look over in the FAOL knots section for the Weaver's knot. It is absolutely perfect for your problem. I could tie one of these with my eyes closed and shaking hands --just as long as I could thread the fly. And it is also stronger than the Clinch or improved clinch.

palomar is by far the most reliable for me, but run into problems with smaller flies

uniknot is pretty straightforward and with some practice can be done without looking

some people like loops at times, perfection loop, and surgeons are fairly simple and the nonslip mono loop works as well, but is a pain for me more often than not

[This message has been edited by l1ranger (edited 06 July 2006).]

I only use the Duncan Loop Knot for fly to tippet.


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Robert B. McCorquodale
Sebring, FL

"Flip a fly"

Let me go way over the top here. I feel you know your 'fishery' very well. Any chance that you could 'pre-tie' a few flies onto some tippets in advance? Many 'old guys' do it... http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/wink.gif

P.S. The Weaver's knot eats up tippet faster than most knots. You'll reduce this if you slide the knot up to form it, not start by pulling down on the fly. Form the knot by sliding up, lubricate, then pull the fly to tighten.

The tippet cost is nothing to me compared to the value of an easy knot to tie under any conditions.

Another tip, on really small flies, put some soft weight on them while you tie to give gravity some help. Remove the soft weight when the fly is secured.

[This message has been edited by oldfrat (edited 06 July 2006).]

If you're happy enough with the clinch (minus the extra "improved" step), I find it easy to do with forceps: Pinch the line and tag end between same thumb and finger, leaving a bit of tag end sticking up, and the fly loose down in the loop formed. Insert closed forceps into the loop. Twist the loop with the forceps, making sure the fly doesn't get up into the twists. Grab the tag end with the forceps (still in the loop) and pull through.

There is also a tool to do the equivalent, but I haven't tried it.

My eyes are getting worse by the year for close up stuff. I have gone from using a clip on hat magnifier to carrying a set of readind glasses. You might try a threader fly box . With a threader fly box you could get the the tippet through the eye of the fly and then learn to tie a simple but strong knot like a figure 8 loop knot or surgeon's loop knot which work fine with trout sized flies
The Davy Knot is also a simple strong Knot

[This message has been edited by okflyfisher (edited 07 July 2006).]

I am 57 and have CSS (Can't See S***) for knots. I have several pairs of what I call Wal Mart Cheaters, those 'bout $12-15 reading glasses that are all on glass strap. I have these in all of my outdoor gear and wear them without fail! Cannot tie a thing without 'em, with 'em ya caint miss!

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Thanks and Gig'em
Mark Fairchild

Saltamontes:

Several years back I spent what seemed an eternity to tie on a Sulphur pattern at dusk. I attributed my problem to low light.

Sooooooo...

I bought a brighter light to use at night.

And...

It didn't make a difference http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/frown.gif.

Sooooooo...

I bought a pair of Hat Eyes to clip on my hat visor and now I can tie on anything at any time with any knot I want.

So IF you haven't tried magnification yet, give clip on magnifiers a whirl. It solved my problem and I fish a LOT at night.

Another solution, particularly for small flies, is to build a leader loop on your fly when you tie them. Charlie Meck had recently written an article recommending this approach. This way all you have to do is make a loop to loop connection.

Perhaps you are thinking of the Pitzen knot?
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Ron M

Isn't that also called the Davey Knot
Dave Whotton (spelling?)
DuFf

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Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints....




[This message has been edited by Duffin Boy (edited 07 July 2006).]

The pitzen and davy knot are different knots. The pitzen is the strongest fly attachment knot in my personal testing, but the davy knot is a little easier to tie and it is also very strong

and another name for the Pitzen is..."16-20 Knot"

The Cleave Knot is my goto knot for all subsurface flies, great at duak. I use a Turle on dries (except Stimulators) which is also easy in low light.

Best regards,
Reed [url=http://www.overmywaders.com:0183f]www.overmywaders.com[/url:0183f]

Triple surgeons here. I would not even attempt a plitzen in the dark.

Anyway you look at it or any knot you choose to use, you still have to thread the tippet through the eye of the hook. For me, upon fading daylight, this is the problem moreso than the knot. I've admitted to myself that my eyes just aren't what they used to be and bought a couple of extra-fine sewing needle threaders. These have helped a great deal. Additionally, what JC suggested works very well for flies that you know you're going to use. Just attach a short, say 6-9 inch tippet to the fly with a loop at the end.

Allan

Anyone who would use a sissy tippet deserves bad eyes. ;-) Pre-tie some flies on different leader and tie even a loop to the fly line.

Try a knot tying tool. I have yhe dame problem as you...failing eyesight. It certainly helped me.
[url=http://www.tie-fast.com/:9c272]http://www.tie-fast.com/[/url:9c272]

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Cajundood

The Eugene Bend tied with hemostats is a leading candidate in the "great knots for poor eyesight" category.

When my own eyes no longer can see to tie the Pitzen, it will be my go to knot.

Jim

Clinch knot using hemostats: [url=http://www.rackelhanen.com/eng/10045.htm:cc180]http://www.rackelhanen.com/eng/10045.htm[/url:cc180]
Davey Wooten's knot - video: [url=http://www.itinerantangler.com/podcasts/video/:cc180]http://www.itinerantangler.com/podcasts/video/[/url:cc180]
pitzen (16-20 knot) [url=http://www.froghairfishing.com/__knots.cfm?ID=6:cc180]http://www.froghairfishing.com/__knots.cfm?ID=6[/url:cc180]

The eye glasses will help a lot. kinda hard to get that skinny tippet into the whole without clear vision. The glasses will also help you know that you have the tag end held as you pull the knot tight. When tying the clinch Also try pulling more tippet through the eye and then do the twists. This will leave a bigger loop next to the fly eye for you to send the tippet end through the loop. All the extra tippet will pull back out as you tighten the knot.

btw:
the Clinch knot is easier and stronger than the improved clinch.



[This message has been edited by Scruffy Fly (edited 10 July 2006).]

I should have said also that when tightening the clinch knot to pinch the tag end of the knot against the fly as you pinch the fly between your finger tips. Pull the standing end of the tippet to tighten the clinch knot. Don't pull on the tag end. - You probably already know that.