ok. i know of this tactic where you use a high floatant fly (foam terrestrial) and then have a dropper such as a nypmh underneath. i really wanna try this, but i dont kno how. could someone please tell me how to make this rig???
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ok. i know of this tactic where you use a high floatant fly (foam terrestrial) and then have a dropper such as a nypmh underneath. i really wanna try this, but i dont kno how. could someone please tell me how to make this rig???
photos were posted awhile ago but heres one way
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...ookdropper.jpg
ok thanks. thats how i thought to do it, but it just didnt seem secure enough. o well ill give it a shot....with an unvaluable nymph as the dropper incase it breaks off :wink:
That's pretty much how I rig a dropper behind either a popper, slider, Chernobyl Ant. The only difference is I may use a dropper as long as 24-30 inches depending on the water depth and keep the it the same size as the tippet. A good invaluable nymph to fish for panfish is a Green Weenie. I use size 8 to 12 in the local creek.
dsaaverda,
I would put full confidence in this rig. I've used it for years and brought in my fair share of large fish on both the first and second fly. I'd also add that I often use this tactic with 2 streamers as well. For example, if I'm not sure what color the fishies may be keyeing in on, I'll use two flies of completely opposite colors, and switch flies in and out until I narrow it down to one or two colors. The same applies for hook size as well. The only drawbacks I have experienced with this set-up is the wind (for obvious casting reasons) and I have had the fly not in the fishes, mouth get snagged and break em off. On the plus side, (I suppose its on the plus side) I'll admit that more than once, I've missed the dry fly-strike and still landed the fish. (Just follow the natural thought process :wink: ) I fish with this set up at least 90% of the time. You can cover a lot of feeding columnns with it!
Another rig is to use 5 turn surgeon's knots to tie in about a foot of leader material. You will end up with two 4-5 inch tags that ly parallel to the leader, one pointing towards the flyline and one lying toward the terminal fly. Snip the tag pointing toward the flyline and tie your droppers to the tag pointing to your main fly.
In this system you main leader is never cut and the droppers lay along side the leader on 2-3 tags, makes casting easier, plus the shorter your dropper leads the less likely the system will foul. Plus there are no obstructions on any of the hooks to prevent doubles.
If you are fishing a popper and dropper nymphs, by putting the Popper as your end or terminal fly it will keep your dropper nymphs suspending. Picture them as a U. Once your release pressure the nymphs will slowly sink creating a U in your leader. Put tension back into the setup, with a strip and the flies will rise up as the U straightens, this can be a killer technique, basicall it is like vertically jigging your nymphs.
By putting the popper as the first dropper line the rest of the flies will hang down behing it, that is how you can fish them deeper without creating that U effect.
I will routinely fish 3-5 flies using this technique, where legal I might add. Open your loops a bit and slow dwn your stroke and you will have no problems casting multiple flies.
Sorry no picture but picture it as
..................dropper......dropper......droppe r
flyline ______/_________/_________/________termial fly
ok thanks guys that helped a bunch!!!!
now how about a link to a greenie weenie :wink:
Another method is to leave an extra 6" or so on the tag end of the mid section of your home built leader when you tie the tippit in. Tie the dropper into that section and then the main fly/popper onto the tippit as normal. I use this allot in the salt.
ok thanks...i like the first one best. then maybe the second one. i dont really like the third one.
You won't like the second one. I don't anyway. I tried it, and watched the first fly.....the one with the dropper tied through it's eye....and it behaved horribly in the water! I like the other two and caught my biggest fish on the first one method.
Charles Meck is coming out with a book in September titled something like "Double Your Catch With Tandem Rigs"
heres a new book on rigging. dont know whats in it as i dont own it.
http://www.amatobooks.com/Merchant2/mer ... w_Releases
Until this year, I've always used Normand's "Method #1," and have had good luck with it, but I'm looking at making a change this year.
Since becoming a convert to furled leaders this winter, and because my new furled leaders have loops at both ends, I'm wondering if I can tie a double surgeon's loop in my tippet, and, after connecting it loop-to-loop to my leader, tie my hopper or popper to an intentionally long tag end of the surgeon's loop. Any of you furled leader fanatics ever try it this way? It sounds easy, so experience tells me there must be something wrong with my idea. :lol:
Hi,
I've used Normad's method 1 when fishing a nymph off a dry. "Truck and trailer" is very common here in NZ, and some big fish are routinely caught on both the dry and the nymph.
This method is also used quite often in very fast water if you want to get a small nymph down deep quickly. Replace the dry with a heavy nymph that will get the rig down deep. Then, tie on a small unweighted nymph, and it gets pulled down with the bomb. Quite often the fish it taken on the smaller nymph, which wouldn't make it down deep enough in the fast current.
However, if fishing a team of wee wets, I use Micropteris method. Slow down your cast, open your loops, and typically cast a shortest line out and across and let out more line during the drift. I've been doing a lot of spider fishing the last year or so, and this is my standard set up these days. One thing I will warn you about though, if you do tangle things up, you will save heaps of time by cutting off the flies when untangling the bird's nest and retieing them if the leader is not ruined. I've tied a 6" section of 20lbs mono to my fly line for loop-to-loop connections with my leaders.
In either case, be careful when unhooking a fish. The first time I caught a fish on a 3 fly rig I unhooked the fish, which then jumped out of my hand causing one of the other flies to impale into my thumb. The 3rd fly, however, caught the trout in the tail, and so as it tried to swim away, the hook in my thumb was getting pulled on! Fortunately it was only small, and I was able to unhook myself and the fish without too many additional problems.
- Jeff
When I've tied droppers, I've used the surgeon's knot method. Tying to the bend (Method 1) seems easier, but if you do this with hooks that have the barbs mashed down will the dropper slip off the first fly?
Re: dropper slipping off a barbless hook. Up here (Manitoba) we've had barbless regulations for years and I've never had a problem. If you think about it, all the forces (casting, fish, snag) take the knot to the back of the bend of the hook.
As a precaution, I create a full loop (one extra pass) around the hook before I start to tie the knot (improved clinch or trilene), but I'm not sure that it makes all that much difference...TIM
PS. Great thread. Learned a ton.
Great, thank you Tim.