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Hi there,
A friend gave me some Mustad 37160 hooks in size 6 and 8. He ties Atlantic Salmon buck bugs on them so I gave them a whirl, they are definitely interesting looking, and he says very productive (time and next season will tell). What else can I tie on them that would be productive for bass, trout or Atlantic Salmon? If there are alot of uses, I may get some in other sizes.
Dwight
Personally I will not use the hook. In the bigger sizes they seem to go into a Trouts eye when they are hooked. It was orgionally designed as a Bait Hook.
Makes a really nice San Juan Worm. As PatsMan said in larger sizes( not real large they can be rather mean to the fish. Can also make some interesting nymphs and caddis larvae on them.
Dwight,
What do I tie on this hook model? Frankly, as little as possible. Must be one of the most aweful looking, and worst hooking, Mustad hooks ever!
Ah well... ;-)
Cheers,
Hans W
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Wow, talk about differing opinions...It's one of my favorite hooks, especially in smaller sizes, for SJ worms, scuds, etc. One of it's great traits is that it hooks up extremely well when a fish bites. I seldom lose a fish on this hook because it just "turns loose", as lots of Tiemco hooks do for me.
Hans will probably hate me for this, but it's one of my favorites for Klinkhamers.
Ron,
You are welcome to them LOL
Cheers,
Hans W
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I believe the bow juan worm a couple of weeks ago was tied on one.
I also use them in the larger sizes for Al Campbell's wiggle frog found in the intermediate tying section.
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"If it was easy anybody could do it"
Timothy S. Furey Sr.
Those bigger sizes make for a decent crawdad pattern too, check that thread on craw patterns from a week or two ago....
If you fished for Catfish you would not think that way Hans http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/smile.gif
They are great for tying baitfish patterns (inverting the hook) where the hair acts as a weedguard. I use them for some Pike and Bass flies.
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Jeff - AKA Dr. Fish
If it has fins and swims than I must chase it!
Hans wrote:
"worst hooking, Mustad hooks ever!"
Hans -
To what do you attribute their poor hooking qualities?
- Gary
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"Catch 'em all...Put some back!"
Gary,
You asked Hans why he had that opinion of this hook. Obviously I don't yet know what his response will be but, FWIW, here's my $0.02:
Looking at the hook, it seems that the space and angle between the point and the eye is too narrow. Whether this equates to 'misses' I don't know. I'm not sure if the specific shape of the hook matters as much as general appearance. I guess for those 3 reasons (space, angle, general appearance) I prefer a scud hook or putting a curve into a 2xl hook.
Jeff - Haven't fished for cats nor used that hook for baitfish patterns. However, the way you describe its use, it seems to be contrary to the purpose of its design.
Allan
As mentioned here, check out the thread on craw patterns. I use the heck out of this hook (maybe 'cause I have so many of them).
It does a great job on swimming nymphs. I use them for stoneflies. Works great.
By the way, I use this alot and have never had a problem with bad hookups or hooking through the eye. Just the opposite, I believe that this is fairly close to a circle hook.
Frank Reid
I use that hook for my Klinkhammer patterns as well.
Contrary to other opinions I find the hook-up to take ratio to be nearly 100% and can't remember loosing a fish after hook-up.
It's effectiveness seems to me to be due to the offset point.
In that size I use it for my Hexagenia emerger pattern, the only bug in this area big enough.
Peter
worms, emergers. I like this hook and tied a dozen beadhead emergers yesterday. They look great with ribbing and ostrich wound behind the bead. I also dubbed some bodies with dryer lint and they look great as well. Bet I catch fish with them. In my youth I caught dozens of pike using this hook and yes it is originally a bait hook. I noticed recently that a flyshop owner had a bunch of emergers tied on this hook and that is why I ordered mine from Hook and Hackle. They look nice and are fun to tie.
size 6 & 8 - how about a frog or crayfish?
[This message has been edited by Gardenfish (edited 08 February 2005).]
Hook proportions make or break the 'looks' of a hook. In my eyes the Mustad 37160 is an ugly hook. In your eyes, who knows http://www.flyanglersonline.com/bb/wink.gif
My only use for them, in quite large sizes, is to do wire worms for deep fishing on river floats. Not a favorite way of fishing, but on dog days they can rescue the fishing for sure!
The hooking characteristics, in smaller sizes, can only be described as mediocre at best in my experience. Unaltered the point of the hook is in the same line as the eye, so in conventional terms these hooks have a zero gape. Offsetting the bend makes for better performance, but looks are a lost cause. I much prefer more gradually curved scud style hooks.
Cheers,
Hans W
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Many years ago we used those hooks for egg flies and for the worm. I will not use them again. We learned the hard way that they hurt to many fish. I agree with Han's that they will hook fish in the eye's I have seen it many times. We quit using them and have had no further problems hooking fish were they should not be hooked. In fact I chucked all the ones I had in the garbage.
I think it has to do with the way they are formed. They roll in the fishes mouth causing the hook point to hit the eye areas instead of the mouth area. Nope If I had anymore of them you could have them gladly. Ron
I tie a caddis emerger/floater in a size 6 for the october caddis with it and love it. Keeps the wing and thorax flat while the body hangs down. I have not had any fish hooked in the eye, and have found the hook to hold rather well. Perhaps those doing damage to the fish were using them subsurface, even under an indicator. All of mine I fish on top, so the results could be different because of that. I am glad to know that my source of them is not in danger of running out!
Have fun, Jeff
I'm starting to wonder with some of the comments if we're all on the same page.
The Mustad 37160 is mfg. with an offset point(kirbed?), not in line with the eye or shank.
[url=http://www.mustad.no/products/classic/classic/class_37160.htm:53fd6]http://www.mustad.no/products/classic/classic/class_37160.htm[/url:53fd6]
I've also never had a problem with hooking in the eye or the upper jaw for that matter but I also only use them for dry patterns.
Peter
The hook does a nice hellgramite IMHO.
Here's a few patterns i tie on the 37160
http://www.flytyingforum.com/index.p...ge&showid=2211
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/ph...urple2-med.jpg
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/ph...erside-med.jpg
http://www.michigan-sportsman.com/ph...nefly1-med.jpg
I love tying stones on this hook!
Brent.
Brent -
Really impressive ties. Thanks for sharing them.
What size 37160 are those tied on?
- Gary
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"Catch 'em all...Put some back!"
Check out Al's diver for the 37160 in the Advanced section. Great bass diver IMO.
Glenn
Thanks Gary!
The flies were tied on a size 16,but the 37160 runs pretty big for their size.
Brent.