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I want clear wraps on my new rod. From reading various places it seems I want white silk to achieve this. Is there a particular brand, type, size? Anything particular that I need? Will Pearsalls tying silk work? I think I saw some at the fly shop the other day.
wayne
Wayne,
Pearsall's Gossamer silk is used for rod wrapping as well as fly tying. I do believe your right about the white silk going clear when the finish coat goes on.
You are right about the silk going clear after the finish is applyed. Do not use color preserver and this will happen.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3...e/P1000308.jpg
Any white silk will do the trick. In addition, colored silk threads will do the same with a tinge of the inherent color ... almost like having a "candy" effect.
The smaller the diameter, the more transparent. Some silks are a bit more refined than others. However, this photo is of a wrap done with A sized silk.
Do heat your finish a bit, the thinner and more fluid it is ... the better the penetration. Put on enough to REALLY wet it out good and remove the excess.
Hope this helps!
TJ -
That is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gotta try that, thanks for the tips.Quote:
Originally Posted by TampaJim
Actually, I think nylon goes clear too, as I tried to duplicate the Sage XP wraps with some success with the Goldenrod thread. Didn't like the color, but the effect was there. You might try some different threads on a piece of scrap graphite. Somebody said you could try just wetting it with water to see what the effect would be, but I haven't tried that.
Nylon will become translucent without CP. Silk will actually become transparent.
The degree of the effect on either is controlled by the thread size, thread quality, thread color, type of finish AND the application of the finish.
The best bet for testing, is a piece of scrap rod blank and real epoxy. IF you don't already have a piece of scrap blank, just buy an inexpensive blank from your vendor next time you order. Almost every distributor in the marketplace has blanks of some type under $10 .. it doesn't matter if it is graphite or glass, whatever is cheap. One blank will last you a VERY long time for testing purposes.
TJ -
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Originally Posted by TampaJim
I've tried varnish on a cane rod, never did graphite. What finish are you using? What's best solution to be used on wraps on graphite rods? Thanks
I use Flexcoat Lite with Ultra V (UV inhibitor). When I want to do translucent or transparent wraps, I make sure to warm the finish to lower the viscosity. This WILL result in a shorter working time, but it is necessary to properly penetrate the thread for the desired look.Quote:
Originally Posted by cane_ru
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TJ -
That's right, TJ, it did have some color to it, just that the feet showed up. I don't know as I really like that, but lots of folks do.
To test your wraps, couldn't you put varnish on them instead of mixing up and wasting some epoxy?
IMO, the "wasting" of epoxy is overrated. Buy a bigger bottle, do testing, mix larger batches that are less prone to error AND mix a new batch when the one you are working with isn't the proper consistency.
Epoxy is VERY inexpensive when compared to components, your time and the horrible aggravation that sets in when things don't go right.
Thanks for advice TJ, maybe I'll get my hands on a carbon blank some day, will try that, those clear wraps look really good.
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Transparent wraps can be hard to achieve w/o a "ghosting" or silvering effect. You have to try all methods on some srcap blanks as previously stated.See which works best for you. 'boo and glass both look great w/ transparent wraps.I used YLI silk in size #100
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/h...8_12300050.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/h...8_10300013.jpg
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/h...8_07010007.jpg
That's what I am looking for!!
Thanks!
wayne
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Originally Posted by TampaJim
Great looking wraps boarmountain. Are they also finished with epoxy on your bamboo rod? What do you mean by "ghosting or silvering effect", is it a technique or is it just another name for making the wraps transparent?Quote:
Originally Posted by boarmountain
Ghosting or silvering is NOT a wanted effect. It is caused by micro air bubbles in the silk. I use two types of varnish to achieve the clear wraps. First couple of coats w/ amber varnish, than finish with spar varnish. Golden Witch sells the amber varnish. It is expensive, but you use very little and it works best for me.
Do some searches on Clark's Bamboo Forum. Some of the guy's over there do some awesome wraps. Some use a mixture of Varnish and Walnut Alkyd.
http://clarksclassicflyrodforum.yuku...59#reply-14059
The above has some awesome wrap pics.
http://clarksclassicflyrodforum.yuku...60#reply-13460
http://clarksclassicflyrodforum.yuku...77#reply-47277
Hope it's OK to link to these.
I haven't tried it yet but the walnut alkyd is fairly inexpensive. I do have an 8 oz. bottle and could send out an ounce or two if anybody is interested.
Erik
Definitly not taking anything away from Mike's beautiful wraps.
The tying thread may be ok if it's not a heavy weight rod. As for style, test it out on a broken blank or pencil to make sure you get the finish you're after. White may work the best if you want it as clear as possible. Hope that helps.
Ron